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    Republicans crying fraud when they lose elections has become routine and gets solid coverage in the mainstream media. It's a mainstream Republican position.

    https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...lection-trump/
    If it's routine why is it notable?

    Things that make you go "hmmm"

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    It's a mainstream Republican position.
    You mean exactly like 2000 and 2016?

    Tell us again about how all those dip Dems cried foul.

    Tell us again about that obese pos in Atlanta crying foul for how many yrs now too?

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    Trump was +10 in this district in 2020. Sarah Palin must be really unpopular there.



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    A potential flaw in ranked choice is primary crossover where people can cross over in the primary and vote for the other sides worst candidate hoping to help their sides chances in the general. Theoretically you could end up with a worst/worst choice in the general.
    How is that a flaw unique to ranked choice? People already do that in normal primaries.

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    Ranked choice forces the candidates to seek voters beyond their base. Harder for extreme candidates and hard ideologues to win.

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    A potential flaw in ranked choice is primary crossover where people can cross over in the primary and vote for the other sides worst candidate hoping to help their sides chances in the general. Theoretically you could end up with a worst/worst choice in the general.
    Lol these voting excuses.

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    Ranked choice forces the candidates to seek voters beyond their base. Harder for extreme candidates and hard ideologues to win.
    Theoretically it should work this way and I certainly hope it would. I pointed out the possible problem with primary crossover. Any literate person that follows the issue understands both sides of the issue. Then there is stupid cuck Blake yapping at ankles.

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    A repug loses an election, immediately repugs claim fraud

    When in fact, not enough Repug voters put Palin as their second choice

    Not the fault of ranked choice, it's Palin's fault

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    I pointed out the possible problem with primary crossover.
    But people already do this.

    I would argue it's worse without ranked choice, because everyone knows their side only has one other realistic opponent.

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    A repug loses an election, immediately repugs claim fraud

    When in fact, not enough Repug voters put Palin as their second choice

    Not the fault of ranked choice, it's Palin's fault
    The red state legislature selected ranking candidates and now that their can’t win are crying foul!

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    But people already do this.

    I would argue it's worse without ranked choice, because everyone knows their side only has one other realistic opponent.
    I know in Texas primaries you have to declare Republican or Democrat so its not as easy to cross over as it would be with ranked choice.

    It's only really effective in primaries where there is usually low turnout.

    Lets say you have a Republican in bent with no primary challenger and 5 Democrats competing for the Democrat nomination. Four are equally good and one is a real loonytoon. With ranked choice and the other 4 splitting the vote its pretty easy for a few Republicans to cross over and get the looneytune to move on to the general election.

    This is not something I just invented. If you research ranked choice voting this is an issue that is always brought up.

    I agree that in theory (without crossover) ranked choice should produce more centrist results.
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    Lol who do you think will win the general in November if not Peltola? Again?
    Palin will win if and only if that stubborn ass Nick Begich drops out. If it's all three of them again, it's basically Teddy Roosevelt vs. Taft. vs Woodrow Wilson and the Democrat wins.

    Could happen as well in the Senate if the Democrat runs a strong campaign and both Tshibaka and Murkowski similarly tear each other down.

    Trump was +10 in this district in 2020. Sarah Palin must be really unpopular there.
    no, it's the re ed ass ranked choice voting and jungle election with 2 (R)s on the ballot vs 1 (D) and the vote getting split.

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    I know in Texas primaries you have to declare Republican or Democrat so its not as easy to cross over as it would be with ranked choice.

    It's only really effective in primaries where there is usually low turnout.

    Lets say you have a Republican in bent with no primary challenger and 5 Democrats competing for the Democrat nomination. Four are equally good and one is a real loonytoon. With ranked choice and the other 4 splitting the vote its pretty easy for a few Republicans to cross over and get the looneytune to move on to the general election.

    This is not something I just invented. If you research ranked choice voting this is an issue that is always brought up.

    I agree that in theory (without crossover) ranked choice should produce more centrist results.
    Great, give us a couple of links to places you've researched this.

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    Great, give us a couple of links to places you've researched this.
    Yep, no echo chamber here

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    I know in Texas primaries you have to declare Republican or Democrat so its not as easy to cross over as it would be with ranked choice.
    Texas has open primaries, so you don't have to register as anything, but you can only vote in one party's primary. So if you vote for the other team's looney toon, you give up your opportunity to vote in your primary. I've voted in numerous primaries and I've never registered as anything,

    https://www.openprimaries.org/rules-in-your-state/

    It's only really effective in primaries where there is usually low turnout.

    Lets say you have a Republican in bent with no primary challenger and 5 Democrats competing for the Democrat nomination. Four are equally good and one is a real loonytoon. With ranked choice and the other 4 splitting the vote its pretty easy for a few Republicans to cross over and get the looneytune to move on to the general election.

    This is not something I just invented. If you research ranked choice voting this is an issue that is always brought up.
    I guess I'm still not seeing how that potential issue is worse in a ranked choice general election vs. non ranked choice. I think even if I agreed it was is an issue, that issue is more than offset by the benefit of favoring moderate candidates in the end.

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    Yep, no echo chamber here
    I'm beginning to think you just don't know what an echo chamber is.

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    I'm beginning to think you just don't know what an echo chamber is.
    Nor "connections" and "correlations," just ask Blake.

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    Yep, no echo chamber here

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    Great, give us a couple of links to places you've researched this.


    Typical butthurt Blake, the forum cuck.

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    I'm beginning to think you just don't know what an echo chamber is.
    an environment in which the same opinions are repeatedly voiced and promoted, so that people are not exposed to opposing views

    You even invented a character to echo your viewpoints.

    It's so in' obvious that even an individual in a discussion refers to themselves in plural form.

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    Nor "connections" and "correlations," just ask Blake.
    You don't know the difference between correlation and connection.

    If data moves together it must be connected!

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    You don't know the difference between correlation and connection.

    If data moves together it must be connected!
    I see you are still butthurt after Blake schooled you!

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    I see you are still butthurt after Blake schooled you!
    Low IQ poster fishing for cheap lulz

    Much of this discussion seems to be based on the mistaken premise that correlation has a meaning similar to connection. In the context of statistics, it does not. To quote from our own dictionary, the relevant definition is "the degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary together." A correlation can be present when there is absolutely no connection, causal or otherwise.

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    Low IQ poster fishing for cheap lulz

    Much of this discussion seems to be based on the mistaken premise that correlation has a meaning similar to connection. In the context of statistics, it does not. To quote from our own dictionary, the relevant definition is "the degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary together." A correlation can be present when there is absolutely no connection, causal or otherwise.
    cor·re·la·tion
    /ˌkôrəˈlāSH(ə)n/

    noun
    a mutual relationship or connection between two or more things.



    Take your "L" and move on, idiot!

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    Take your "L" and move on, idiot!
    Correlation can be a connection, but it doesn't imply connection. Do you know what "or" means? It's a Boolean function, meaning not both. Either way the relationship is the connection statistically, but not in causality. I'll let you look that up, grunt.

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