The pro-Russian trolls are really losing it. I just read one on the Slovenian forums claiming this is not Ukraine's army offensive, as Ukraine's army was already destroyed. It's the NATO's army. Apparently NATO is throwing everything at Russia in a last ditch attempt, because they are losing the war...
These are the people who need to die the most after selling away Kherson and the Azov Sea coast to the Russians at the beginning of the war.
Hopefully the partisans mobilize and these traitors ditch the region without a fight, fearing for their lives
Many thanks to Russia for their contributions to the war effort
"here is a picture of russians deliberately massacring civilians"
"whatever it takes"
Aren't really mixed messages, unless you have a learning disability, which I think you do.
This is yet another instance where you have made a fundamental cognitive error.
The error here is that no Ukrainian wants to have war crimes committed on their country by Russia. That is not a "whatever it takes" position.
Your animosity makes you a dumbass sometimes, because you do down these little rhetorical rabbit holes that makes sense to you, but are just fatally flawed, logically.
I think it is time for UKR to start supporting separatist movements in Russian territories on the border. Annex a few territories as a concession from Russia, and create a buffer zone. mostly kidding.
fence sitting good now
Appreciate the updates coming from DD and velik tbh
Seems significant
Goran Dragic getting 25pts and 20rbs vs our ty front line
Pathetic outing tbqh
Putovich better make something happen next game. ing TOSB crater faced midget
Goran ingbDragic
Where da are our PGs????? Beno ing Udrih??? Are u kidding me????
Just waiting on hater's "it was a feint, i never supported the Russians, and didn't know about the genocide, torture, murder and rape."
I am hoping for the total collapse of Russia as a nation. It must be destroyed.
Luckily the russians will probably take care of that themselves, after Putler falls out a window.
Very much so...they haven't had it since it was destroyed in 2014.
Lysychansk/Severodonetsk is the next exciting possibility from my end. What a day.
Also, 3 hours from now (local time) it will officially be Day 200 of the 3-5 day war.
I know you were saying they need to keep pinning their ears back and pushing but is there a concern about advancing too quickly and spreading too thin? Or are the Russian forces really just falling apart at literally every front? Seems a bit fantastical
The other dimension, political:Appreciate the updates coming from DD and velik tbh
‘We have already lost’: far-right Russian bloggers slam military failures
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-army-response
A level of open criticism of Putin's government that would have been unthinkable 3 weeks ago.
Dictators rarely survive lost wars. When the defeat is so thorough it sinks into the skulls of the most deluded fanboys, it is like Frankenstein's monster turning on his creator.
As velik hinted at, fuel supply would be my major concern because the vehicles they are capturing have mainly been static. What makes this offensive different than battles/wars past, is that both militaries use mostly the same kit so parts are interchangeable and the Russians are leaving a load of everything behind (especially in Izium), so they are inadvertently resupplying the Ukrainian offensive and keeping them mobile.
Cutting off and capturing Kupiansk disrupted the railway system to feed the front for Russia, and because of the speed of the advance the Russians are barely escaping, let alone have time to regroup and mount a defensive position. Maybe the eastern side of the Oskil River will slow down the advance, but right now Russia's only chance is withdrawing several kms East to a clearly defined position and digging in.
The big wildcard in all of this is what happens if they start pushing even harder on Kherson and Melitopol either concurrently or right after they've reached a pre-determined line in the East? That's when the fun really begins.
That is how brittle armies work. Russia's ability to conduct offensive operations of any significance was already culminated weeks ago.
They have nothing left. Routs and collapses like this start slowly and gain a momentum of their own.
Russia was scraping the bottom of the manpower barrel two months ago, without a general mobilization. The losses they are sustaining are MUCH faster than they can recons ute combat power, meaning each city and lost unit thins Russian lines even further, AND those lines do not have any prepared trenchers or fortifications.
Once UKR gets to the border, they simply dig in, allow the territorial defense groups to man the line, then move their regulars off the line, rest, refit, replace, and recommit.
That means that UKR can concentrate, even more than they have, on a shorter front, and use their faster lines of internal communication to simply hit RUS wherever they want to.
RUS command and control is completely overwhelmed at this point.
Such a move is beyond the ability of the Russian "army" to pull off. It would require: supplies, plans, initiative on the part of commanders, stable command and control over maneuver units, and troops trained in combined arms. Russian "army" has NONE of that. It's done. UKR will move up to the RUS border, pause to reorganize, and pivot to the flanks.
Hopefully part of their op plan was what to do with tens of thousands of prisoners.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 09-10-2022 at 01:50 PM. Reason: stupid homonyms.
Yup. It is too late for even a general mobilization to save RUS, even IF they could pull it off.
General mobilization would require at least two months to pull off, even if you give the troops zero training. You have to call men up, get them to a supply place, equip them, and then organize them.
RUS unlikely has the civilian or military administrative capacity for that. Just the general call up itself would take months to organize.
Even blowing past those two bottlenecks, what would RUS equip those soldiers with? I am sure they have the AK-s floating around, but uniforms, helmets, boots for hundreds of thousands of troops? command tents, radios, field kitchens, etc etc etc.
The corrupt kleptocracy would not able to do this.
Their currency reserves are also running low. Mobilization costs money. Given they stopped selling gas to Europe, cutting off their revenue and accelerating the "run out of money" phase they would likely collapse before then. No one will loan the Russian government money, not even the Chinese.
There will be no miracle here.
Winter will stop them.
How it started
how it’s going
It is looking increasingly like that Russia will negotiate because Putin has been deposed and the new Russian government has to end the war before the total collapse of the economy and army.
I would note that a lot of the Rosgaurdia gendarmes have been manning the front lines in UKR.
If Putin falls, I will simply note this in every single response to you on any topic for as long as we are both here.
No, it won't. Winter is still a couple of months away and UKR will have better winter kit than RUS.
Just as the spring Rasputia ironally stopped RUS advances short, so too will we get to see the irony of an army kicking the out of the Russians because the Russians can't handle the cold.
Winter won't stop the degrading of Russian capabilities. HIMARS, Excaliber rounds, and more Trip sevens are going to ensure that. If the front stabilizes again, RUS will face the same problems, and worse.
Rumors at this point. If True, I doubt Putin is going to attend the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II. God save the King.
Each side has a "whatever it takes" position. You're a notorious dumb ass here with a tendency to go off the rails.
"here is a picture of russians deliberately massacring civilians"
"whatever it takes"
Aren't really mixed messages, unless you have a learning disability, which I think you do.
This is yet another instance where you have made a fundamental cognitive error.
The error here is that no Ukrainian wants to have war crimes committed on their country by Russia. That is not a "whatever it takes" position.
Your animosity makes you a dumbass sometimes, because you do down these little rhetorical rabbit holes that makes sense to you, but are just fatally flawed, logically.
I understand Ukraine's position and agree with their response, however I also understand Russia's position and though they are the aggressor, they are still bound to try "whatever it takes", so scoffing at "whatever it takes" on one side and not the other, that's the logically flawed reasoning. In fact, it would be logically consistent for Russia to use nuclear weapons, though tactically suicidal perhaps. Nonetheless, you've taken up a personal torch for Ukraine and cannot see things objectively. You only see good (your side) vs evil (their side). Your side only has wins, theirs only losses. Even though your side needs constant training wheels, you still contend your side is militarily superior. You're a typical homer with homer takes.
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