Another school shooting?

[DMC]

You try so hard

Can't say the same for you.

[DMC]

Just because you have to create an LLC or a law enforcement waiver to register automatic weapons and the like does not mean a gun registry does not exist. You can clear the legal hurdles and transfer an automatic weapon to your possession. When you do that you have to register it. That is not an illegal process.

For the civilian possession, all machine guns must have been manufactured and registered with ATF prior to May 19, 1986, to be transferable between citizens.[18] These machine gun prices have drastically escalated in value, especially items like registered sears and conversion-kits. Only a Class-II manufacturer (a FFL holder licensed to manufacture firearms or Type-07 license that has paid a Special Occupational Tax Stamp or SOT) could manufacture machine guns after that date, and they can only be sold to government, law-enforcement, and military en ies. Transfer can only be done to other SOT FFL-holders, and such FFL-holders must have a "demonstration letter" from a respective government agency to receive such machine guns.[19] Falsification and/or misuse of the "demo-letter" process can and has resulted in long jail sentences and felony convictions for violators. -Wiki

You do not register again a transferrable machine gun. You can only apply for transfer. You want to conflate transfer with registration, but they aren't the same things. There hasn't been a single transferrable machine gun registered after the 1986 ban. Once in the registry, it's in the registry ergo registered.

Jumping around between civilian ownership of transferrable (registered) machine guns and military/LEO requested demonstration weapons is a desperate attempt to conflate any recording of firearms as a "national firearm registry".

So again, why do you need a national firearms registry if one already exists?

It's a complicated issue and you dumbed it down.

I have to dumb it down for people like you who conflate just to try for a W.

FOPA prohibits the creation of a national firearm registry.
Transferrable machine guns were registered prior to 1986. There are no new registrations, only transfers.

So what other conflations and wrong information do you wish to post in an attempt to appear right to the layman?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For the civilian possession, all machine guns must have been manufactured and registered with ATF prior to May 19, 1986, to be transferable between citizens.[18] These machine gun prices have drastically escalated in value, especially items like registered sears and conversion-kits. Only a Class-II manufacturer (a FFL holder licensed to manufacture firearms or Type-07 license that has paid a Special Occupational Tax Stamp or SOT) could manufacture machine guns after that date, and they can only be sold to government, law-enforcement, and military en ies. Transfer can only be done to other SOT FFL-holders, and such FFL-holders must have a "demonstration letter" from a respective government agency to receive such machine guns.[19] Falsification and/or misuse of the "demo-letter" process can and has resulted in long jail sentences and felony convictions for violators. -Wiki

You do not register again a transferrable machine gun. You can only apply for transfer. You want to conflate transfer with registration, but they aren't the same things. There hasn't been a single transferrable machine gun registered after the 1986 ban. Once in the registry, it's in the registry ergo registered.

Jumping around between civilian ownership of transferrable (registered) machine guns and military/LEO requested demonstration weapons is a desperate attempt to conflate any recording of firearms as a "national firearm registry".

So again, why do you need a national firearms registry if one already exists?

I have to dumb it down for people like you who conflate just to try for a W.

FOPA prohibits the creation of a national firearm registry.
Transferrable machine guns were registered prior to 1986. There are no new registrations, only transfers.

So what other conflations and wrong information do you wish to post in an attempt to appear right to the layman?

This is your initial argument.

There's a reason a national registry is outlawed. State registries are legal. You should push for that 1st.

There is already a lawful national registry and getting 50 states to create registries is much more difficult than getting US congress to pass 1 bill. Your take was dumbed down and wrong.

You have fun moving the goalposts and obfuscating some more.

[DMC]

This is your initial argument.



There is already a lawful national registry and getting 50 states to create registries is much more difficult than getting US congress to pass 1 bill. Your take was dumbed down and wrong.

You have fun moving the goalposts and obfuscating some more.

Have fun with your make believe.

[Blake]

Can't say the same for you.

This is really easy

[CosmicCowboy]

After three pages of bickering, the question remains, what is the real reason specialty gun stores are getting a different credit card code?

[DMC]

This is really easy

[ChumpDumper]

After three pages of bickering, the question remains, what is the real reason specialty gun stores are getting a different credit card code?

What do you think is the reason?

[Blake]

Yet you struggle with it

[Blake]

After three pages of bickering, the question remains, what is the real reason specialty gun stores are getting a different credit card code?

The link is there and I even quoted some of it for you as to reason why. How much more spoon feeding do you need here

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Have fun with your make believe.

What's not make believe is it took you two hours to come up with that google foo. I was like this is a new irrelevant argument once again so I rejoined your original. I see you have now gone for this whine instead.

You want it to seem that a national registry would be difficult to create and instead we should look to the states. As I have pointed out, a single federal bill with two parts would enable a national registry. Further places like California and Illinois make it very clear that state regulations do not work because people are free to go to Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, and Indiana to buy their weapons.

I am not anti-gun and have several but I am not remotely scared to have to register them federally because of the er decision and others. Spouting the NRA, lets sell as many guns as we can, propaganda is part of the problem. You start with that and then double down as you google foo their bull so as to not lose an argument. That is why I have zero respect for you.

[DMC]

What's not make believe is it took you two hours to come up with that google foo. I was like this is a new irrelevant argument once again so I rejoined your original. I see you have now gone for this whine instead.

You want it to seem that a national registry would be difficult to create and instead we should look to the states. As I have pointed out, a single federal bill with two parts would enable a national registry. Further places like California and Illinois make it very clear that state regulations do not work because people are free to go to Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, and Indiana to buy their weapons.

I am not anti-gun and have several but I am not remotely scared to have to register them federally because of the er decision and others. Spouting the NRA, lets sell as many guns as we can, propaganda is part of the problem. You start with that and then double down as you google foo their bull so as to not lose an argument. That is why I have zero respect for you.

I couldn't care less about getting respect from an self aggrandizing asshat like you.

You took issue with this: "Amends the rulemaking authority of the Secretary to provide that no regulation may require: (1) the transfer of records required under this Act to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State; or (2) the establishment of any system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions." and falsely equated the pre-registered NFA weapons that are otherwise banned. You've been flailing since you took issue with a written law, and claimed that a bill would need to pass to enact a national gun registry EVEN THOUGH you disagreed that it's illegal currently to create a national gun registry." -FOPA

There are 400 million guns in circulation. If you're going to require they all be registered, then any guns entering your state would require registration, just like they do in DC and Hawaii.

Under state law, every person arriving in Hawaii who brings or causes to be brought into Hawaii a firearm must register the firearm within five days of the person's or the firearm's arrival, whichever arrives later. Individuals under the age of 21 are prohibited from bringing firearms into the state.

You cannot even rationalize things without sounding ignorant of existing laws. Maybe you need to sit this one out.

[DMC]

Yet you struggle with it

even has to respond to a emoji.. you lonely, re ed

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I couldn't care less about getting respect from an self aggrandizing asshat like you.

You took issue with this: "Amends the rulemaking authority of the Secretary to provide that no regulation may require: (1) the transfer of records required under this Act to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State; or (2) the establishment of any system of registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions." and falsely equated the pre-registered NFA weapons that are otherwise banned. You've been flailing since you took issue with a written law, and claimed that a bill would need to pass to enact a national gun registry EVEN THOUGH you disagreed that it's illegal currently to create a national gun registry." -FOPA

There are 400 million guns in circulation. If you're going to require they all be registered, then any guns entering your state would require registration, just like they do in DC and Hawaii.

Under state law, every person arriving in Hawaii who brings or causes to be brought into Hawaii a firearm must register the firearm within five days of the person's or the firearm's arrival, whichever arrives later. Individuals under the age of 21 are prohibited from bringing firearms into the state.

You cannot even rationalize things without sounding ignorant of existing laws. Maybe you need to sit this one out.

This is funny. I say your original statement was dumbed down ie it was a complex situation. Since then you have googled hard to study the issue and post about the complexity so you can call me ignorant. Meanwhile you are parroting NRA propaganda like the there are too many guns so we should just give up line just as I was speaking to and desperately trying to win a point, any point, as I clearly have made you insecure. Your behavior is cliche.

My initial premise remains the same and unchanged. Going through the states is both ineffective and more difficult than a federal statute. For all of your handwaving at state registrations it still does not prevent a Chicagoan from going to Indiana or another state to purchase a weapon with little to no oversight and bring it back to Illinois. A nationwide registry would notify Illinois law enforcement of the purchase by one of their residents as opposed to relying on self reporting. Handwaving at an island state is cute though.

Further there is nothing other than political will stopping US congress from passing a bill to create another national registry. A national gun registry has already been in existence since 1934.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

even has to respond to a emoji.. you lonely, re ed

So says the divorcee who has posted on this site daily for decades just as he has.

[Blake]

So says the divorcee who has posted on this site daily for decades just as he has.

On many a Saturday night begging

[TimDunkem]

So says the divorcee who has posted on this site daily for decades just as he has.

That explains a decade of daily Spurstalk shifts of unprovoked ankle biting.

[DMC]

So says the divorcee who has posted on this site daily for decades just as he has.

"divorcee".

You do love a narrative.

[Blake]

"divorcee".

You do love a narrative.

That is incredibly rich

[DMC]

This is funny. I say your original statement was dumbed down ie it was a complex situation. Since then you have googled hard to study the issue and post about the complexity so you can call me ignorant. Meanwhile you are parroting NRA propaganda like the there are too many guns so we should just give up line just as I was speaking to and desperately trying to win a point, any point, as I clearly have made you insecure. Your behavior is cliche.

My initial premise remains the same and unchanged. Going through the states is both ineffective and more difficult than a federal statute. For all of your handwaving at state registrations it still does not prevent a Chicagoan from going to Indiana or another state to purchase a weapon with little to no oversight and bring it back to Illinois. A nationwide registry would notify Illinois law enforcement of the purchase by one of their residents as opposed to relying on self reporting. Handwaving at an island state is cute though.

Further there is nothing other than political will stopping US congress from passing a bill to create another national registry. A national gun registry has already been in existence since 1934.

I have showed you the information I was well aware of, providing evidence is pretty common in discussions, since your mouth isn't a prayer book just because it opens and shuts. I didn't Google to learn it you . You make up coming and going.

"going through the states" is a false dichotomy. You only need to worry about your own state.

You minimalize political will. There's only political will stopping US congress from repealing the 2A. Why do you pretend the will of the parties is a small roadblock?

[DMC]

That is incredibly rich

I am not divorced, but you are.

[DMC]

That explains a decade of daily Spurstalk shifts of unprovoked ankle biting.

"ankle biting" from your ilk means you got your pushed in. For you that's a normal thing, here and IRL.

[TimDunkem]

Oh he's mad now. Don't have a heart attack about it fatty.

[DMC]

Oh he's mad now. Don't have a heart attack about it fatty.

I wasn't the one worried here about dying from COVID, fatty

[TimDunkem]

DMC has mental notes on all of those on his E-hate list. Spurstalk is serious business!!

Not surprising for a fat, old divorcee though, tbh. What a sad, lonely existence.