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    That protected first would have to come from another team unfortunately, because I don’t think they can put any protections on that 2029 pick (cannot trade picks beyond 2029).

    As someone mentioned, I’d be fine shipping out the Charlotte pick to get both Lakers picks unprotected. There’s a decent chance that the Charlotte pick never conveys. No idea if the Miles Bridges news hit before or after the Murray trade (looks like both were June 29th) but that significantly impacted their playoff prospects this year and going forward. I’d rather have a shot at a lottery pick than have that Charlotte pick possibly turn into two seconds.
    On top of the Hornets pick I'd be willing to include future unprotected second rounders. Given the Spurs expected draft position after the trade those picks will fall in 32-38 range.

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    On top of the Hornets pick I'd be willing to include future unprotected second rounders. Given the Spurs expected draft position after the trade those picks will fall in 32-38 range.
    Naw. JRich is a positive asset that most playoff teams would give a FRP for, and offloading Russ is a huge positive for them, plus they get a huge TE out of the deal, another positive. If it’s both 2027 and 2029 unprotected, plus an unprotected swap in 2028, I’d send the mid CHA pick as a sweetener, but nothing else.

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    Naw. JRich is a positive asset that most playoff teams would give a FRP for, and offloading Russ is a huge positive for them, plus they get a huge TE out of the deal, another positive. If it’s both 2027 and 2029 unprotected, plus an unprotected swap in 2028, I’d send the mid CHA pick as a sweetener, but nothing else.
    I probably would do that too... I like the idea of future unprotected picks from teams with poor front offices...

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    Naw. JRich is a positive asset that most playoff teams would give a FRP for, and offloading Russ is a huge positive for them, plus they get a huge TE out of the deal, another positive. If it’s both 2027 and 2029 unprotected, plus an unprotected swap in 2028, I’d send the mid CHA pick as a sweetener, but nothing else.
    I doubt they would do two unprotected first's plus a swap. They can find better deals than that with someone else.

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    Lakers are in trouble. The richest owner in sports owns the LA Clippers. Free agents can get the same Southern California sun location and a few extra millions under the table courtesy of Steve Ballmer. Jeannie Buss is a poor trust fund baby by comparison. Probably the poorest NBA owner too. That's strike 1.

    Strike 2: most GMs hate Rob Pelinka from his cutthroat days as Kobe's Agent. Look at what Boston gave up for Malcolm Brogdon. Now compare what Ainge wanted for Boggs from the Lakers. It's sickening how these got GMs hate Pelinka due to his past and his current affiliation with the.

    Strike 3: most franchises hate the Lakers. Been like this since Pop was in the CIA for real. That failed CP3 deal in 2011 set the Lakers back basically a decade. We didn't win another chip between 2010 and 2020.

    Now these teams are conspiring against the Lakers again, in real time. 29 teams pay pennies on the dollar in trades. Laker tax: get bend over or else
    ROFL the Lakers making an idiotic trade for Westbrook two years ago is the rest of the leagues fault.

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    I doubt they would do two unprotected first's plus a swap. They can find better deals than that with someone else.

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    Hornets or Jazz could offer less costly deals. Its not like J-Rich magically turns the Lakers in championship contenders.

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    In that case we should pass...but I think everyday that passes the price to get rid of WB is going up
    Pretty much this. It's not like Westbrook is going to develop a jumper in the next two weeks, and they're likely to be anywhere from 2-7 to 0-9 two weeks from now with the spacing their offense has. Everyone knows the Lakers have to make a trade right now to save their season and every loss makes it more and more urgent for them to do so. The conference is so wide open they could still win it if they put some shooters around James and Davis and get lucky with injuries.

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    Pretty much this. It's not like Westbrook is going to develop a jumper in the next two weeks, and they're likely to be anywhere from 2-7 to 0-9 two weeks from now with the spacing their offense has. Everyone knows the Lakers have to make a trade right now to save their season and every loss makes it more and more urgent for them to do so. The conference is so wide open they could still win it if they put some shooters around James and Davis and get lucky with injuries.
    Yeah, except the only things is competing against a 3rd team (Indy) willing to do a lower offer sooner than the Spurs. It helps that Turner is, wait for it.... injured. And, that Portland is off to a good start.

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    I doubt they would do two unprotected first's plus a swap. They can find better deals than that with someone else.
    Indy is the only other team that can generate the TE, and they want both picks, too. The TE is the only way for them to obtain a high dollar all star player.
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    Yeah, except the only things is competing against a 3rd team (Indy) willing to do a lower offer sooner than the Spurs. It helps that Turner is, wait for it.... injured. And, that Portland is off to a good start.
    If the Lakers want to trade for another big who'll be in street clothes half the year godspeed I guess. Would be worth it just for the lols.

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    Two unprotected firsts and a pick swap? Pelinka is a moron but he's not that dumb

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    Hornets or Jazz could offer less costly deals. Its not like J-Rich magically turns the Lakers in championship contenders.
    Neither team can offer a TE...only indy an the spurs can do that... they need a TE or all their eggs are in a Jordan Clarkson or Terry Rozier basket...and they're capped for the rest of the lebron tenure.

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    ROFL the Lakers making an idiotic trade for Westbrook two years ago is the rest of the leagues fault.
    That's strike 4 sir. Try to keep up

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    That's strike 4 sir. Try to keep up
    LOL thinking the rest of the NBA is there to bail the Lakers out.

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    She was outlining a scenario where they win the lotto for pick one after missing the playoffs, the lakers get two, but NO doesn’t pick Wemby because of brokedown Zion for some reason, and the Lakers get him at two.

    Ah, gotcha. I'd assumed that was a joke.

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    Ah, gotcha. I'd assumed that was a joke.
    I think it was outright NBA/draft skepticism that somehow the Lakers would wind up with Wemby.

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    I think it was outright NBA/draft skepticism that somehow the Lakers would wind up with Wemby.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if not at draft night, but eventually.

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if not at draft night, but eventually.
    He’s under drafting team control for 5 years. By the time that is up, the LAL will be in one of their cyclical periods. Who wants to go bail that out? Besides, he’s a euro. They’re not as dazzled by the bright lights of the big markets.

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    ^ Giannis was special when he refused the lure despite Lakers signing his brother. I don’t know what Lakers offered but staying with his drafting team and a small market at that was pretty cool

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    Their supposed interest in Richardson is interesting because the only possible trade I can see, is something like Langford and him for Westbrook and their minimally protected '27 1st, with Bates-Diop and Christie as possible add-ons.

    But it's hard to believe they'd surrender one of their two remaining assets for that, even if they would save a ton on the luxury tax.


    Lakers really need a duo of players like Poeltl and Richardson, tbh. If they come calling, an unprotected 1st, a top 20 protected 1st, and a pick swap is the least I would ask for, tbh.
    Yeah, they really need a rim running starting C on an expiring contract due a significant raise when they already have the third best C in the league (even if he does want to revert to masquerading as a PF), who is a very poor range shooter, on a terrible range shooting team.

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    Their supposed interest in Richardson is interesting because the only possible trade I can see, is something like Langford and him for Westbrook and their minimally protected '27 1st, with Bates-Diop and Christie as possible add-ons.

    But it's hard to believe they'd surrender one of their two remaining assets for that, even if they would save a ton on the luxury tax.




    Yeah, they really need a rim running starting C on an expiring contract due a significant raise when they already have the third best C in the league (even if he does want to revert to masquerading as a PF), who is a very poor range shooter, on a terrible range shooting team.
    The Lakers desperately need a $30M hole that they can fill with a high level player next summer. Only we and Indy can give that to them. That’s a positive asset in a trade. So, to sum it up, they get a good, no drama two way player in JRich, they get out from under Westbrooks contract and get rid of him, and they get a huge trade exception. That’s three positives. To me, at a minimum, that’s one unprotected FRP, and an unprotected swap. Indy seems to be holding the line at 2 unprotected picks, so we should, too.

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    The Lakers desperately need a $30M hole that they can fill with a high level player next summer. Only we and Indy can give that to them. That’s a positive asset in a trade. So, to sum it up, they get a good, no drama two way player in JRich, they get out from under Westbrooks contract and get rid of him, and they get a huge trade exception. That’s three positives. To me, at a minimum, that’s one unprotected FRP, and an unprotected swap. Indy seems to be holding the line at 2 unprotected picks, so we should, too.
    I get it, but that's already looming, and it's just underwhelming (at least the Pacers and Jazz can offer multiple pieces that make sense).

    Can't imagine they'd risk trading an eventual 1st overall pick for that.

    The Pacers are holding the line because they can offer two pieces that make sense.

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    Their supposed interest in Richardson is interesting because the only possible trade I can see, is something like Langford and him for Westbrook and their minimally protected '27 1st, with Bates-Diop and Christie as possible add-ons.

    But it's hard to believe they'd surrender one of their two remaining assets for that, even if they would save a ton on the luxury tax.




    Yeah, they really need a rim running starting C on an expiring contract due a significant raise when they already have the third best C in the league (even if he does want to revert to masquerading as a PF), who is a very poor range shooter, on a terrible range shooting team.
    One minimally protected first for taking their cancer? No ing way. Two unprotected firsts or the Lakers can flush their season again.

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    I get it, but that's already looming, and it's just underwhelming (at least the Pacers and Jazz can offer multiple pieces that make sense).

    Can't imagine they'd risk trading an eventual 1st overall pick for that.

    The Pacers are holding the line because they can offer two pieces that make sense.
    Miles Turner in street clothes half the season doesn't make much sense.

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