Shams: Spurs Waive Josh Primo

[mystargtr34]

Its obvious there's evidence that he's guilty (multiple victims is basically evidence) otherwise he could have just played the innocent/consensual card in court.

[heyheymymy]

fair enough blizz guess the entire world all got together and put this ruse on just to fool you but you were too sly to fall for it. It's actually millions of women in Iran and the US victims of the SCOTUS ruling trying to lie to you. They were all in on it, with the MSM and lib s.

mr worldwide sourcelord with the finger on the pulse of truth wow you figured it all out on em

hope you're ready to dig in because people will probably challenge you on this position for the rest of your life. You are denying reality for a cult.

[heyheymymy]

lol "how do we know the girl didn't make it up"

well primo has 8mm to throw at a legal fight to clear his name so let's see if that happens because as of right now he just vanished and blamed his prior trauma.

again if he is innocent I support him and will genuinely listen to the arguments.

[ChumpDumper]

All this is ”alleged”. If true then it’s abhorrent BUT what if it’s a girl that thought she was the one but once he stuck with his woman she decided to pull this . We already know we can’t fall for the “me too” believe all women . Why can’t the kid have his day in court? Pop is so woke he would believe all women and take it too far.

I'm hypothetically outraged.

[Chinook]

It's hard to pin down what the Spurs know. It seems like the Four Seasons incident is what spurred the discipline rather than the lawsuit. I guess we don't know for sure that the hotel situation even happened. If they were trying to get out ahead of the lawsuit, it is a huge mark against the team. I don't actually think the team had the responsibility to fire Primo immediately upon hearing the first allegation. While you can take it seriously, you can't assume guilt no matter how much folks are pushing for that.

I hope the Four Seasons canon is true, and upon hearing the first allegation, the Spurs did their investigation and then fired him upon finding more evidence. It wouldn't be that impossible to believe Primo had hidden it from the team given they didn't seem to know about this when they drafted him. We may well find out that Primo has been doing this for a while and either kept getting lucky with targets or was sociopathically skilled at picking them. Pop's original quote suggested Primo might be able to come back into fold, which is hard to imagine if the Spurs knew the full extent of Primo's allegations or especially the legal situation Primo found himself in. It feels like the Spurs may have heard the first allegation but, still protected Primo came up with the spasming-butt thing and checked it out, and when they found another allegation, they cut him. After hearing what he had to say, they still released him, but they softened their stance to leave the door open for him to return or at least to endorse him finding another opportunity in the NBA. Then they got a fuller picture of what happened and realized they had to completely drop him and expunge him in hopes of mitigating their legal liability.

That's a possibility I want to believe, but there's also the idea that they heard about Primo's nature during their pre-draft investigation but chalked it up to "boys will be boys" and otherwise downplayed the issue and/or assumed their culture could smooth him out or at least keep him in check. Then while they tried to provide him with help and discipline, they also didn't continue to make sure nothing happened. That's a situation where even if they heard of something, they hid behind the "innocent until proven guilty" logic to not truly intervene. Then only after an employee who quit because she wasn't taken seriously retained a lawyer did the team react. They originally just deactivated Primo ala Watson and considered letting things blow over, but then after hearing about the hotel incident leaking, they decided to try to get ahead of everything and fire Primo in hopes their silence, quick action and generous settlements can keep prying eyes away.

I don't want to believe in that second scenario or believe the truth is closer to that than the first. I don't think the front office can survive that, and I don't think I'd want them to. It'd suck for Pop's legacy. Even if he didn't know, it'd be an open question if he only didn't know because he didn't WANT to know. He wouldn't be the first person to say or even to believe in a lot of progressive things while still holding or allowing some regressive ideas. I don't believe that's true, but I'm also not going to get caught up in whether Pop "looks like someone who'd do that". The speculation is wildfire that destroys goodwill and characters. I'd understand the Spurs' impulse to keep all of this under wraps. because in a world where these are just allegations without confession or concrete evidence, the damage to Primo would be immense and slow to ebb. But if they did so, the consequences are going to be immense. The team is almost certainly going to be sued over this regardless. If they don't, it's only because the victim personally doesn't want to. Primo doesn't have a ton of money in comparison to someone like Watson. The Spurs are a bigger fish, and they'll very likely not fight the suit if they can get a reasonable settlement. Unless this staffer just quit out of a conflict of interest or whatever, her being an ex-employee is really going to hurt SA in the court of public opinion. It's going to be really hard to convince the public that they didn't know at least some of what happened. It'd be completely impossible if they had kept him to trade like some argued for.

[DrSteffo]

If misogynist types like blizz would rule your society you would be 200-3000 years behind the civilized world in terms of social development (just like Iran), but I'm happy that instead sexual abuse is actually reported and not tolerated. Seems to me the Spurs did what they had to do. I just hope they didn't try to cover up anything earlier.

[blizz]

I'm hypothetically outraged.

Ok that legit made me lol. I like you.

[blizz]

If misogynist types like blizz would rule your society you would be 200-3000 years behind the civilized world in terms of social development (just like Iran), but I'm happy that instead sexual abuse is actually reported and not tolerated. Seems to me the Spurs did what they had to do. I just hope they didn't try to cover up anything earlier.

You’re funny. I’m literally advocating for due process and you’re taking it to the extreme.

[blizz]

lol "how do we know the girl didn't make it up"

well primo has 8mm to throw at a legal fight to clear his name so let's see if that happens because as of right now he just vanished and blamed his prior trauma.

again if he is innocent I support him and will genuinely listen to the arguments.

That’s all I am saying bro. We have been burned with the believe all women and the me too movement. I’m just saying let’s let it all come out. Just because the spurs did this doesn’t mean it’s all true. The spurs are ultra woke so they would subscribe to the believe all women thing just in case. Let’s let this play out. From my stand point why would he do these alleged things KNOWING that he’s a high profile athlete and the trouble he could be in? It screams of a woman scorned thing but I’d be the first to eat crow if I’m wrong. This isn’t and didn’t have to get political.

[heyheymymy]

That’s all I am saying bro. We have been burned with the believe all women and the me too movement. I’m just saying let’s let it all come out. Just because the spurs did this doesn’t mean it’s all true. The spurs are ultra woke so they would subscribe to the believe all women thing just in case. Let’s let this play out. From my stand point why would he do these alleged things KNOWING that he’s a high profile athlete and the trouble he could be in? It screams of a woman scorned thing but I’d be the first to eat crow if I’m wrong. This isn’t and didn’t have to get political.

That's reasonable and I agree. To be fair the story might have a few twists and turns still yet. If Primo's accuser has creditability issues I want to hear that for sure and would honor it on its merit. If the franchise swept this under the rug then I can't support that either and would expect changes. If Primo has a case I support him fully having his day in court and will listen genuinely to the arguments presented.

Love Pop and the club but can't support coverups. I also can't deny that you're right, good point, there's always two sides to every story and false accusations from the woman is still a slim possibility here. I'd hope SA did diligence but maybe the quick pace of the developments caused them to rush a decision for the sake of appearances. Time will tell and I will change my tune if it comes out there's been some mishandling of this in any nefarious manner by any party.

[heyheymymy]

solid take Chinook appreciate your thoughts

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This Primo thing has ‘exposed’ more about some ST posters than about him, tbh.

[blizz]

That's reasonable and I agree. To be fair the story might have a few twists and turns still yet. If Primo's accuser has creditability issues I want to hear that for sure and would honor it on its merit. If the franchise swept this under the rug then I can't support that either and would expect changes. If Primo has a case I support him fully having his day in court and will listen genuinely to the arguments presented.

Love Pop and the club but can't support coverups. I also can't deny that you're right, good point, there's always two sides to every story and false accusations from the woman is still a slim possibility here. I'd hope SA did diligence but maybe the quick pace of the developments caused them to rush a decision for the sake of appearances. Time will tell and I will change my tune if it comes out there's been some mishandling of this in any nefarious manner by any party.

Now that’s what I call a solid take based facts and some conjecture. I love the discourse and am seriously over the moon that you’re considering a different point of view if not a different conclusion. This is what discussion is supposed to be. Props to you my friend for listening and considering a different opinion. Take care buddy.

[blizz]

It's hard to pin down what the Spurs know. It seems like the Four Seasons incident is what spurred the discipline rather than the lawsuit. I guess we don't know for sure that the hotel situation even happened. If they were trying to get out ahead of the lawsuit, it is a huge mark against the team. I don't actually think the team had the responsibility to fire Primo immediately upon hearing the first allegation. While you can take it seriously, you can't assume guilt no matter how much folks are pushing for that.

I hope the Four Seasons canon is true, and upon hearing the first allegation, the Spurs did their investigation and then fired him upon finding more evidence. It wouldn't be that impossible to believe Primo had hidden it from the team given they didn't seem to know about this when they drafted him. We may well find out that Primo has been doing this for a while and either kept getting lucky with targets or was sociopathically skilled at picking them. Pop's original quote suggested Primo might be able to come back into fold, which is hard to imagine if the Spurs knew the full extent of Primo's allegations or especially the legal situation Primo found himself in. It feels like the Spurs may have heard the first allegation but, still protected Primo came up with the spasming-butt thing and checked it out, and when they found another allegation, they cut him. After hearing what he had to say, they still released him, but they softened their stance to leave the door open for him to return or at least to endorse him finding another opportunity in the NBA. Then they got a fuller picture of what happened and realized they had to completely drop him and expunge him in hopes of mitigating their legal liability.

That's a possibility I want to believe, but there's also the idea that they heard about Primo's nature during their pre-draft investigation but chalked it up to "boys will be boys" and otherwise downplayed the issue and/or assumed their culture could smooth him out or at least keep him in check. Then while they tried to provide him with help and discipline, they also didn't continue to make sure nothing happened. That's a situation where even if they heard of something, they hid behind the "innocent until proven guilty" logic to not truly intervene. Then only after an employee who quit because she wasn't taken seriously retained a lawyer did the team react. They originally just deactivated Primo ala Watson and considered letting things blow over, but then after hearing about the hotel incident leaking, they decided to try to get ahead of everything and fire Primo in hopes their silence, quick action and generous settlements can keep prying eyes away.

I don't want to believe in that second scenario or believe the truth is closer to that than the first. I don't think the front office can survive that, and I don't think I'd want them to. It'd suck for Pop's legacy. Even if he didn't know, it'd be an open question if he only didn't know because he didn't WANT to know. He wouldn't be the first person to say or even to believe in a lot of progressive things while still holding or allowing some regressive ideas. I don't believe that's true, but I'm also not going to get caught up in whether Pop "looks like someone who'd do that". The speculation is wildfire that destroys goodwill and characters. I'd understand the Spurs' impulse to keep all of this under wraps. because in a world where these are just allegations without confession or concrete evidence, the damage to Primo would be immense and slow to ebb. But if they did so, the consequences are going to be immense. The team is almost certainly going to be sued over this regardless. If they don't, it's only because the victim personally doesn't want to. Primo doesn't have a ton of money in comparison to someone like Watson. The Spurs are a bigger fish, and they'll very likely not fight the suit if they can get a reasonable settlement. Unless this staffer just quit out of a conflict of interest or whatever, her being an ex-employee is really going to hurt SA in the court of public opinion. It's going to be really hard to convince the public that they didn't know at least some of what happened. It'd be completely impossible if they had kept him to trade like some argued for.

Nice job sir. I just can’t help thinking with the current climate they just wanted to get so far ahead of this regardless of whether it’s all true or not. Let’s not just rush to judgement. There HAVE been gold diggers out there that have preyed upon young guys. All accounts say that he was a bright kid. Why would he do this knowing that he’s get F’d? Sounds like a consensual thing that went sideways and she then went rougue id you will.

[LeBowen]

Does NBA only attract ing morons? Like they've got hoes lining up everywhere they go and this re flashes housekeeping and staff members? Just castrate the moron.

12th pick and more reputation down the drain, as if all the that happened over the past years wasn't enough.

Can't wait for Lakers to pick him up, lmao.

[mystargtr34]

Is the Minnesota hotel thing confirmed? I thought that was still a reddit thing and only the Spurs internal employee was confirmed ?

I’m losing track tbh.

[Mal]

It’s considered a sex crime, and a conviction or acceptance of a deal will require him to register as a sex offender wherever he lives for the rest of his life.

Ohh, so this is that serious. I thought it was like Deshaun Watson, who paid out way of similar situation

[RC_Drunkford]

what's critical is that it is a FORMER employee. Meaning that had to happen before the Minnesota incident. Also Drew Eubanks' wife posted something saying "Believe victims the first time". So it could be the case that this got reported, the Spurs questioned both sides and believed whatever story Primo told them. That could get ugly in hindsight

[LeBowen]

what's critical is that it is a FORMER employee. Meaning that had to happen before the Minnesota incident. Also Drew Eubanks' wife posted something saying "Believe victims the first time". So it could be the case that this got reported, the Spurs questioned both sides and believed whatever story Primo told them. That could get ugly in hindsight

Especially if she quit because of the incident.
Even if she didn't, she can play that card.

[RC_Drunkford]

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs should‘ve taken a closer look at his signature

[cjw]

Its obvious there's evidence that he's guilty (multiple victims is basically evidence) otherwise he could have just played the innocent/consensual card in court.

The smartest thing he can do at his point is use his money to get a civil settlement and avoid criminal charges. Watson style. Because a criminal record means he won’t get a visa to work overseas. Heck, he still might not.

Hope he saved up those three years of pay (could be less if the Spurs to after him) because he’s going to have to get a non-basketball job. And that doesn’t include coaching … no school will hire him.

[cjw]

Does NBA only attract ing morons? Like they've got hoes lining up everywhere they go and this re flashes housekeeping and staff members? Just castrate the moron.

12th pick and more reputation down the drain, as if all the that happened over the past years wasn't enough.

Can't wait for Lakers to pick him up, lmao.

I mean, they have a history of not caring about the word of a woman

[Big Empty]

Spurs should‘ve taken a closer look at his signature

Ha Ha Ha!!! I posted this on my FB

[CGD]

The smartest thing he can do at his point is use his money to get a civil settlement and avoid criminal charges. Watson style. Because a criminal record means he won’t get a visa to work overseas. Heck, he still might not.

Hope he saved up those three years of pay (could be less if the Spurs to after him) because he’s going to have to get a non-basketball job. And that doesn’t include coaching … no school will hire him.

It’s actually an important point about visa issues. Isn’t he a Canadian National? If he picks up a conviction here, he may well have his current work visa revoked.