Shams: Spurs Waive Josh Primo

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

From someone close to Spurs legal, Spurs are expecting more bad news with the press conference tomorrow.

[timvp]

So long as we're fanficking nothing-burger scenarios:

Interesting one, tbh

Fanficking a worst case scenario for the Spurs is another dark rabbit hole. It'd have to include something even more extreme than flashing and the doctor being randomly attacked outside of the scope of her employment -- like her just walking down the hall or Primo finding her alone in her office. And it'd have to include multiple instances that the Spurs ignored despite being given ample warning and evidence.

[Wu36]

No, they arrest people for that. You only see them running on the field. Once they cross, they are jumped by police and arrested. Exposing yourself is a crime. But there is something more inherently troublesome when you are exposing yourself to someone in particular instead of a crowd. There are some implicit threats in that. I'm not saying he's evil or a bad kid. You can be a good person, but struggle with sexual behavior. It's just that there is a part of our brain that tells us that even though we may feel like doing something taboo, it would be very unwise to do it and so we don't. When people do act out, they struggle with that rational thought process.

Joshua, it ok she’s here to help. Just be yourself she’s trained for this.

[Wu36]

Not that it may matter. Do we know this women’s age? Is she attractive. It may or may not mean something. If we are play what if’s in rabbit holes

[baseline bum]

From someone close to Spurs legal, Spurs are expecting more bad news with the press conference tomorrow.

I mean can't really expect good news when a lawyer is threatening you.

[biba]

This is what I've read so far:

"When a player is waived, their remaining salary — which in the NBA is guaranteed if a player sticks on his team past Jan. 10 — remains on the books for their original team. If a player is especially motivated to leave his current situation, they can forfeit salary in order to make a buyout more appealing for the team."

Since Primo did not stay with Spurs beyond Jan 10, don't know what that means.

exctatic probably knows.

Spurs exercised the 2023/2024 option on Joshua Primo.
Therefore he is due the 2022/2023 and 2023/2024 salaries = $8.4 M.

Spurs could try to void the contract for moral causes though :
1) Teams never won that battle in the past (NBPA would defend the player)
2) there could be a legal process. Who wants that exposure ?

We can conclude Primo will get his $8.4M. Will he keep them ???

[Wu36]

Isn’t he en led to more? Aren’t teams below the cap floor forced
to pay the balance to the players? Or do they have to be employed end of year?

[Chinook]

It's also important to note that Primo is he (and basically all NBA players) gets checks every two weeks like most people, and he'll be getting those for four more years no matter what happens. It isn't like he was handed $9 Million or even $4 Million that he has to try to keep. My guess is that they'll either be some kind of garnishing on his checks or the court will come up with a payment plan in the event he needs one. I doubt they'll leave him particularly des ute, though his legal fees likely won't be as understanding.

[Chinook]

Isn’t he en led to more? Aren’t teams below the cap floor forced
to pay the balance to the players? Or do they have to be employed end of year?

14. Is there a minimum amount each team must spend on its payroll?There is a minimum team salary (see question number 13), which for this purpose includes the salaries of players who suffered career-ending injuries or illnesses (see question number 61), and excludes all cap holds. The team salary must be at or above 90% of the salary cap on the date of the team's last regular season game:

Season	Minimum	Violators
2017-18	$89,183,700	Bulls ($3.4 million), Mavericks ($3.3 million)
2018-19	$91,682,100	None
2019-20	$98,226,000	None
2020-21	$98,226,000

For minimum team salary purposes the salary of a player who changes teams through trade or waivers is divided among the teams for which he played. For example, if a $10 million player is traded exactly 60% of the way through the season, then the player's original team counts $6 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes, and the player's new team counts $4 million of the player's salary for minimum team salary purposes.Any salary included in team salary as a result of international buyouts (see question number 77) is excluded from team salary for minimum team salary purposes.Teams with a team salary below the minimum are surcharged for their shortfall, with the money distributed among the players on that team. The determination of how the money is distributed is up to the players union. Most recently they have distributed a full share to players who had spent at least 41 games on the team's roster, and a half share to players who had spent 20 to 40 games on the team's roster. However, a player cannot receive more than the maximum salary as a result of a shortfall payment.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q14

Basically, Primo won't get any of that money. But depending on how things shake out with Wesley, Jordan - ing- Hall might get a half-share.

[Wu36]

Thanks for the info.

[RC_Drunkford]

Not that it may matter. Do we know this women’s age? Is she attractive. It may or may not mean something. If we are play what if’s in rabbit holes

I guess you haven't seen the pic...

[Mugen]

Not that it may matter. Do we know this women’s age? Is she attractive. It may or may not mean something. If we are play what if’s in rabbit holes

[Wu36]

Mugen- that’s not what I’m curious about. I’m wondering if any or all these women have a resemblance or character trait similar to each other. Including his current/ ex, dunno their status now. And even his mom when alive. Did she not pass when he was young? Could explain some childish actions and behavior problems currently

[Wu36]

I guess you haven't seen the pic...

And no I haven’t seen any pics

[timvp]

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

[Mugen]

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

Sounds like they need to take a wait/see approach with the braintrust, eg who is still gonna be around when the dust settles...

[MultiTroll]

It's also important to note that Primo is he (and basically all NBA players) gets checks every two weeks like most people, and he'll be getting those for four more years no matter what happens.

Could Primo accept a buyout?
Not that he would with bloodsucking Buzbee lurking.
Rather is that an option?
Lets say he miraculously avoids any and all legalities and -$$$ attempts civil or otherwise and wants 3 million NOW and the Spurs agree. Could that happen? Not would, but Could?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

No, they arrest people for that. You only see them running on the field. Once they cross, they are jumped by police and arrested. Exposing yourself is a crime. But there is something more inherently troublesome when you are exposing yourself to someone in particular instead of a crowd. There are some implicit threats in that. I'm not saying he's evil or a bad kid. You can be a good person, but struggle with sexual behavior. It's just that there is a part of our brain that tells us that even though we may feel like doing something taboo, it would be very unwise to do it and so we don't. When people do act out, they struggle with that rational thought process.

Streakers in the 70s and early 80s weren’t arrested. It used to be a college campus tradition.

[Chinook]

Could Primo accept a buyout?
Not that he would with bloodsucking Buzbee lurking.
Rather is that an option?
Lets say he miraculously avoids and all legalities and -$$$ attempts and wants 3 million NOW and the Spurs agree. Could that happen? Not would, but Could?

It's a misunderstanding that the NBA has buyouts in the way the corporate world or even the MLB does. The term in the NBA describes an alterations of the guaranteed money along with usually an agreement that the team is waiving set-off rights. Buying Primo out would only change the amount due on each check. It wouldn't accelerate the payment. He'll be getting 24 checks a year for four years, even if the Spurs choose to not "stretch" next year's cap hit.

[Chinook]

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

The anniversary stuff definitely has to do with the press conference, since it'll be a good way to shift the focus.

The trade stuff feels more like a leverage play. If you believe in the idea of "trade value", all three of Poeltl, Richardson and McDermott have probably seen their value increase by a first-rounder. If teams aren't willing to give the Spurs that, then it makes sense to pull away from all trades for the time being. The Spurs should absolutely not pay to move McDermott or even trade him for a junk expiring. Richardson is worth a first right now, and Poeltl isn't going anyway for a crap first from a contender. The other teams have to hope the guys fall off a bit, and the Spurs are hoping they're still playing out of their minds when the other teams cave.

I very much doubt they are worried about trading away on an unknown member of the Flash Mafia Primo was heading. Gotta hope that the Spurs weren't Magic Miking around hotels or something to where basically every player was involved.

[MultiTroll]

He'll be getting 24 checks a year for four years, even if the Spurs choose to not "stretch" next year's cap hit.

So getting waived in the NBA is a pretty damn painless experience -at least financially.

[Wu36]

Is leverage Pop to the nets for Ben and that west team shooter? Hope not.

[Chinook]

Is leverage Pop to the nets for Ben and that west team shooter? Hope not.

[PhantomDashCam]

From someone close to Spurs legal, Spurs are expecting more bad news with the press conference tomorrow.

Two interesting tidbits that aren't quite article-worthy but sound like they could be Primo-related:

1) The Spurs decided to delay that 50th anniversary docuseries until after the press conference. It was supposed to be released yesterday.

2) The Spurs have supposedly told teams that all trades are off the table until further notice.

Hmm...

Sounds like they need to take a wait/see approach with the braintrust, eg who is still gonna be around when the dust settles...

The Spurs seemingly took until last season to get over the mental roadblock that occurred with Klaw (being active trade participants, moving fits for other unproven stock), only for their next anointed one to be some version of Kit Ramsay from “Bowfinger”...

I would think there is more than flashing/exposing going on now (or was not dealt with appropriately with a proportional response) to warrant what news may unfold tomorrow. I’m hoping to be wrong.

[Chinook]

So getting waived in the NBA is a pretty damn painless experience -at least financially.

Yep. That's a big part of why people shouldn't be trying to apply the ADA to this. Primo didn't get fired in the same way an regular employee would. He's getting the same checks he was always en led to. He just won't be playing for the team.