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    "Once Primo's conduct entered the public sphere, the Spurs were forced to act and release Primo." -- Tony Buzbee

    This is another line from Buzbee that didn't make sense. Nothing regarding Primo entered the public sphere until after they released Primo. That's why everyone was scrambling trying to figure out WTF happened. Buzbee is acting like that Reddit Four Seasons rumor came out first ... but that wasn't the case. The Spurs waived Primo first and then all of this media scrutiny followed.

    If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.
    No one should ever confuse Buzbee for a GOOD lawyer

    He's just the lawyer who is making a name for himself by taking these cases

    It is entirely possible for the therapist to have been victimized and for the Spurs to have not really done anything wrong. But now a sleezebag lawyer is in the mix trying to get paaaaaaid

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    Primo's lawyer's statement seems like boilerplate denial. That being said, if it turns out that the exposure was just Primo's being visible underneath his basketball shorts, then IDK this seems really in weak. I really don't want to cast any doubt on the victim, but if this is what it is then what the ? Honestly if he was still on the team I would really be doubting a lot of this but the fact that the Spurs waived him has to mean that there's truth to the accusations, right?

    If I had to wager money on how this played out, Primo did it, the GM tried to downplay it/cover it up, Pop later found out and actually made the Spurs take action regarding this . Thats me guessing a lot, but the fact that they've made it Pop didn't know at the beginning makes me believe he may actually be on her side.

    Also LMAO @ any notion that a case with Buzbee isn't about money.
    Yeah, ironically Buzbee's best evidence might be that the Spurs ended up releasing Primo. Cauthen's evidence very well could end up being inadmissible.

    I haven't looked to see how the world at large has reacted to the press conference but the texts I'm getting from basketball people are 95% anger at Buzbee. For example, "Slimeball represents rich middle aged white woman who is looking to get even richer by destroying the life of a teenaged Black kid who went to her for help -- only in Texas would he think he can win"

    I mean, I wouldn't go as far as that text message but I agree that the press conference was comically bad.

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    pretty weak statement, but I wouldn't mind if the Spurs have to clean house in the front office. I've been very critical of them in recent years, I'm all for shaking it up

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    Direct from the complaint:

    VI. DAMAGESAs a direct and proximate result of Defendants’ acts and omissions described above,
    Plaintiff has incurred the following damages:
    a. Conscious physical and mental pain and suffering, and anguish, past and future;
    b. Physical impairment, past and future;
    c. Loss of enjoyment of life and peace of mind, past and future;
    d. Reasonable and necessary medical, counseling, psychiatric, therapeutic and
    related expenses, past and future; and
    e. Such other damages that will be shown at trial.
    Plaintiff seeks any and all damages to which she may be en led. As stated, Plaintiff also
    seeks exemplary damages to deter such conduct going forward, and to make an example of
    Defendants.
    LOL Don Harris, ing moron

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    If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.
    She had to know who he was and how he operated so what part of this would have been a surprise to her?

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    man this guy needs to get a better scanning app and not just take a ing awful photo from his phone.

    amateur job tbh.

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    I really have a hard time rectifying her being a victim with her choice of lawyer. As of now, I'm trying to extend her the grace a victim would deserve, but yeah, its hard when dealing with Buzzbee. But I keep coming back to the the fact the Spurs released Primo so there has to be something there.

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    "Once Primo's conduct entered the public sphere, the Spurs were forced to act and release Primo." -- Tony Buzbee

    This is another line from Buzbee that didn't make sense. Nothing regarding Primo entered the public sphere until after they released Primo. That's why everyone was scrambling trying to figure out WTF happened. Buzbee is acting like that Reddit Four Seasons rumor came out first ... but that wasn't the case. The Spurs waived Primo first and then all of this media scrutiny followed.

    If I'm Dr. Cauthen, I'd be pissed regarding that train wreck of a press conference, tbh. Too many holes, too many rumors paraded as facts, too many disprovable claims.

    well tbh, she should blame herself for hiring a hack like Buzbee in the first place. What did she expect him to not be a hack?

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    Here is what the complaint is actually accusing the Spurs of:

    B. NEGLIGENCE AND GROSS NEGLIGENCE: JOSHUA PRIMO AND THESAN ANTONIO SPURS AS PRINCIPAL AGENT OF JOSHUA PRIMO
    Plaintiff hereby incorporates by reference the paragraphs above as if fully set forth herein.
    Plaintiff firmly believes and has pled that Primo’s conduct as described was intentional.
    Plaintiff alleges that Primo’s conduct, while employed by the Spurs and during the course and
    scope of that employment, was unreasonable and thus negligent and grossly negligent. Primo,
    individually and as agent of the San Antonio Spurs, owed Plaintiff the duty of reasonable care.
    Primo breached that duty in at least the following ways:
    a. Scheduling appointments to be alone with Plaintiff knowing of his own sexual
    proclivities;
    b. Failing to warn Plaintiff of his proclivities and his past conduct;
    c. Exposing himself to the Plaintiff;
    d. Failing to obtain Plaintiff’s actual consent before attempting to engage in sexual
    misconduct;
    e. Engaging in sexual misconduct even though Plaintiff did not consent; and
    f. Failing to take affirmative steps during the appointments to control his unusual sexual
    proclivities.
    Defendant Primo’s negligence, individually and as agent for the Spurs, was a proximate
    and producing cause of damage to Plaintiff. Defendant’s conduct was malicious and grossly
    negligent. Thus, in addition to actual damages, Plaintiff seeks punitive damages.
    In addition to being vicariously liable for Primo’s conduct, the Spurs are liable for their
    own actions and inactions. Defendant had a duty to Plaintiff and breached that duty. The
    negligence of Defendant was a proximate cause of Plaintiff’s injuries and damages.


    9


    Defendant breached the duty of reasonable case in one or more of the following ways,
    among others:
    a. Failing to prevent Primo from harassing Plaintiff;
    b. Negligently hiring, supervising and retaining Primo;
    c. Negligently controlling Primo;
    d. Failing to properly supervise and control Primo;
    e. Failing to create or enforce policies to prevent misconduct;
    f. Failing to take precautions prior to the appointments to prevent a reoccurrence of
    Primo’s known prior conduct;
    g. Failing to warn Plaintiff of Primo’s proclivities and his past conduct;
    h. Failing to take affirmative steps during the appointments to control his unusual
    sexual proclivities;
    i. Providing Primo a safe haven so that he could continue his conduct;
    j. Providing Primo a room where he engaged in illicit behavior;
    k. Failing to investigate Primo’s unusual behavior;
    l. Turning a blind eye to indications that Primo was seeking sex rather than legitimate
    therapy.
    m. Failing to investigate complaints relating to Primo; and
    n. Creating an atmosphere where it was acceptable for Primo to seek sexual conduct
    with staff.
    Each of these acts and omissions, singularly or in combination with others,
    cons ute negligence, which was the proximate cause of this incident and the injuries and
    damages sustained by Plaintiff.


    10


    Plaintiff will further show that the acts and/or omissions of Defendants as described
    above, when viewed objectively from their standpoint, involve an extreme degree of risk
    considering the probability and magnitude of the potential harm to others. Defendants had
    actual subjective awareness of the risk involved, but nevertheless proceeded in conscious
    indifference to the rights, safety and/or welfare of others, including Plaintiff. As such,
    these acts and omissions cons ute gross negligence and malice as those terms are
    understood by law.
    D. VICARIOUS LIABILITY: SAN ANTONIO SPURS
    Plaintiff re-alleges each aforementioned allegation as if incorporated below.
    Defendant the San Antonio Spurs is responsible for the conduct of its agents due to the
    relationship that existed, among other acts and omissions of negligence which may be shown
    during the trial of this cause.
    Most of those points against the Spurs are kind of bull . "Failing to prevent Primo from harassing plaintiff"? Yeah, that won't fly.

    Now, if the Spurs knew Primo engages in this behavior, would likely engage in such behavior again, and were like "hey... here is someone you can probably get off with, try showing her your primo pick"... then yeah, but otherwise this is kind of weak.

    It also alleges that the Spurs failed to investigate, which I highly doubt is true.

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    The Texans had a player with 20+ allegations and kept him until they could trade him. Then another team actually did trade for him. But the Spurs are soooooo horrible! The reaction to this is a joke. Give me a break.

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    Failing to obtain Plaintiff’s actual consent before attempting to engage in sexual
    misconduct
    Say what? Is Buzbee trolling?

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    The Texans had a player with 20+ allegations and kept him until they could trade him. Then another team actually did trade for him. But the Spurs are soooooo horrible! The reaction to this is a joke. Give me a break.
    If this was the 90s, they would have covered it up like they did for Peyton

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    Here is what the complaint is actually accusing the Spurs of:



    Most of those points against the Spurs are kind of bull . "Failing to prevent Primo from harassing plaintiff"? Yeah, that won't fly.

    Now, if the Spurs knew Primo engages in this behavior, would likely engage in such behavior again, and were like "hey... here is someone you can probably get off with, try showing her your primo pick"... then yeah, but otherwise this is kind of weak.

    It also alleges that the Spurs failed to investigate, which I highly doubt is true.
    Yeah, but remember the complaint is just the complaint. Just need to assert enough allegations to beat a dismissal motion, which i understand is not that high a bar. Its when the memos are filed later that we should expect more particulars, and whether those compel discovery which would be the potentially scarier part for a defendant.

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    Possibly but which of the words in the press release was a farce?

    “It is our hope that, in the long run, this decision will serve the best interest of both the organization and Joshua."
    Yeah, i think he's less concerned about the actual words in the statement than the underlying reasons (and pretext) for it. Like the team could have waived him over the summer and issued the same presser if this was really the reason, etc.

    That's how i took it anyway.

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    I really have a hard time rectifying her being a victim with her choice of lawyer. As of now, I'm trying to extend her the grace a victim would deserve, but yeah, its hard when dealing with Buzzbee. But I keep coming back to the the fact the Spurs released Primo so there has to be something there.
    Agree. She would look way more credible with a different lawyer.

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    I think their case is going to hinge on other victims coming forward. They need the Vegas and Minnesota victims to corroborate. At the end of the day if they don't get that they just have her word against his..
    Right, which is why I think Primo's lawyer's statement was smart. Make it about the doctor and her potential motives, the power dynamic working against Primo, while acknowledging his mental health to show his vulnerability as well as a hedge against other things coming out later.

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    All in all, it looks like Brian Wright is the only person in the front office who could be in trouble. If the accuser only told Wright and Wright told no one anything other than to tell the accuser to keep seeing Primo, then Wright might get fired over this. But even then, Wright could simply say that the accuser was the mental health professional so it was her job to either refer Primo to someone else or contact HR if Primo's conduct was beyond the scope of what she's supposed to deal with.

    If the accuser or Wright let HR in on what was happening, Wright is likely shielded from being fired. There's really only a narrow path to Wright being so wrong that he has to go, IMO.

    Now, obviously, this can all change if more accusers come forward. But from Buzbee's press conference, I struggle to come up with scenarios where Wright is doomed or the Spurs will be out millions.

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    Yeah, but remember the complaint is just the complaint. Just need to assert enough allegations to beat a dismissal motion, which i understand is not that high a bar. Its when the memos are filed later that we should expect more particulars, and whether those compel discovery which would be the potentially scarier part for a defendant.
    For sure, but in the pre-motion phase, and the pre-filing phase, usually the plaintiff attorney's demand letter will spell out everything in the complaint to come. You throw in as much as possible to make it seem like as the defendant you are dead to right, but a good defense attorney will straight up reply "this is why your case is weak... so this is why we are offering you $X, and if you don't like that we'll be happy to file a motion to dismiss". I'm going through the exact scenario now (not on a personnel matter - but the process is the same).

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    No one should ever confuse Buzbee for a GOOD lawyer

    He's just the lawyer who is making a name for himself by taking these cases

    It is entirely possible for the therapist to have been victimized and for the Spurs to have not really done anything wrong. But now a sleezebag lawyer is in the mix trying to get paaaaaaid
    i think this pretty much sums it up. i would just add the media to this equation. you already have some local sports talk hacks labeling this the "darkest day in spurs history".

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    All in all, it looks like Brian Wright is the only person in the front office who could be in trouble. If the accuser only told Wright and Wright told no one anything other than to tell the accuser to keep seeing Primo, then Wright might get fired over this. But even then, Wright could simply say that the accuser was the mental health professional so it was her job to either refer Primo to someone else or contact HR if Primo's conduct was beyond the scope of what she's supposed to deal with.

    If the accuser or Wright let HR in on what was happening, Wright is likely shielded from being fired. There's really only a narrow path to Wright being so wrong that he has to go, IMO.

    Now, obviously, this can all change if more accusers come forward. But from Buzbee's press conference, I struggle to come up with scenarios where Wright is doomed or the Spurs will be out millions.
    You should try out for the 2024 games with that gymnasts routine.

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    My friend in SA media says that he doesn't know anyone who has any direct sources who can confirm MN or LV allegations. Says media just heard about LV for the first time today.

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