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    Yes you can. Holy . People don't have to get sued just because they'd say something different under other cir stances. This attempt at connect is even worse than the Hong Kong from a few years ago

    Nope. In your eyes. Thousands of San Antonio fans feel the disconnect and frustrations. I guess you speak for everyone on what is expected? Who said get sued either? I said it simply calls into question some of the character and marketing they do and youre being a bit of a gatekeeper on what fans should/should not find acceptable.

    Doesn’t mean burn the franchise down guy

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    And I never said SA needs to gravel and admit guilt. Simply need to say something and not be so casual with dismissing fans as peons that don’t deserve even basic statements.

    Rubs me the wrong way….but go off about how Im unreasonable and a hater lmao
    They just did say something...and it was all they needed to say at this juncture...

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    we also have an abundance of world renowned climatologists, economists and virologists.
    Lol. Get bent.

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    Yes you can. Holy . People don't have to get sued just because they'd say something different under other cir stances. This attempt at connect is even worse than the Hong Kong from a few years ago
    the false equivalency fallacy has gained a lot of steam over the past decade.

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    I also get frustrated when the Spurs make major moves or make major decisions and then don't comment or provide reasoning. I've posted about that frustration before. For example, getting sort of comment on the Morris/Bertans fiasco would have been nice and it's what every other franchise in the league would do.

    But this is a legal situation where saying anything only hurts their case. It's completely different and, in this situation, understandable, IMO.
    Sure - Im not some idiot that does not understand the situation and how the legal aspect makes it trickier. Still does not sit well with me collectively that this type of issue has been an issue. Especially with something this serious.

    But of course, in typical ST fashion, it’s “hurr durr, I feel this way so everyone who doesnt is an idiot!”

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    And I never said SA needs to gravel and admit guilt. Simply need to say something and not be so casual with dismissing fans as peons that don’t deserve even basic statements.

    Rubs me the wrong way….but go off about how Im unreasonable and a hater lmao
    I don't think you're a hater but I do think you're being unreasonable here. Most of what I hear Pop and others speak about is some form of racism or something political. They've probably spoken out about women being treated poorly before, and you're right that is a big issue, but I don't think their stance on that has changed? Its not like by letting the legal situation play out instead of giving a slimeball Buzzzbee the media war he wants they are going back on that. Thats why I think you're being really unreasonable here.

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    don't worry. i didn't include you in that. you're not renowned anywhere except here; in that you're the town idiot.

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    They just did say something...and it was all they needed to say at this juncture...
    Good. Had they said something at all leading up to what I said? No.

    Or now that they did say something do the nay sayers walk back that they “should not and will not” say anything?

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    we also have an abundance of world renowned climatologists, economists and virologists.
    I have no idea what you do for a living I know for a fact that there are doctors, attorneys, and scientists (i am one of those climate scientists) who post here. Not sure why y'all are surprised by that.

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    the false equivalency fallacy has gained a lot of steam over the past decade.
    How is this a false equivalency when its in the same area of workplace culture, rights etc…you want to say its legal and they cant say anything? Fine. That’s reasonable. But dont act like its any different than when players/coaches (not just spurs) speak up when its race, womens rights and especially workplace culture in the nba. That is a major, major topic these last few years with Mavs, Ime, Spurs now etc…

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    Good. Had they said something at all leading up to what I said? No.

    Or now that they did say something do the nay sayers walk back that they “should not and will not” say anything?
    I mean all RC was said Hey Buzzbee's not right. Did you really need them to say that to feel better that they speak out about racism? I mean come on man. This is weak. You are better than this.

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    I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way in reality. If the attorney does his job right the jury will be made up of 'adults' who can comprehend the reasoning behind an accused person listening to his attorney. This isn't going to be tried in the court of public opinion. The plaintiff's attorney will try to force that and being silent (or at least minimal comment) along with tactical leaks will thwart that.
    Jury can do whatever in the they want. For instance I know if I ever get called to be on the jury of a non-violent drug case the state ain't getting a conviction unless the defendant is selling to ten year olds since I think prohibition is bull . I'd just lie when the lawyers are picking a jury.

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    I have no idea what you do for a living I know for a fact that there are doctors, attorneys, and scientists (i am one of those climate scientists) who post here. Not sure why y'all are surprised by that.
    i didn't realize that we had so many "world renowned" professionals on this site. you'd think they'd have so little time to actually conduct their research considering the average amount of daily posts they have here on ST.

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    Good. Had they said something at all leading up to what I said? No.

    Or now that they did say something do the nay sayers walk back that they “should not and will not” say anything?
    Yes, the did need to say something basic and limited. So everyone knows they feel like they will be vindicated when all the evidence is released and then just rely on their legal team. They just don't want to participate in a circus. It's pretty simple at this juncture.

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    I don't think you're a hater but I do think you're being unreasonable here. Most of what I hear Pop and others speak about is some form of racism or something political. They've probably spoken out about women being treated poorly before, and you're right that is a big issue, but I don't think their stance on that has changed? Its not like by letting the legal situation play out instead of giving a slimeball Buzzzbee the media war he wants they are going back on that. Thats why I think you're being really unreasonable here.
    Maybe - I know its a legal issue. But, even outside of just spurs, players pile on owners for creating toxic workplace environments but when a player hits their wife? Crickets.

    Beyond that aspect, its an issue with Spurs, even outside of legal issues, that they hold fans in contempt and dont feel we deserve any explanations etc..its built up frustration leading to this event.

    I still think, like what RC just said, is basic and can be done without making fans feel on personally. Dont think thats a hot take IMO

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    What’s weird to me (you calling me a hater lol?) is acting like SA has absolutely zero obligation to fans regardless of cir stances.
    Bruh, I wasn't calling you a hater. I even put "Spurs fans" in that line you quoted.

    I agree that 99% of the time it's annoying when they don't talk when it's stuff we'd actually like to know as fans ....... but in this specific case, detailing what did or didn't happen wouldn't be wise.

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    What’s weird to me (you calling me a hater lol?) is acting like SA has absolutely zero obligation to fans regardless of cir stances.
    They have zero obligation to ignore what their legal counsel says. They’re a business en y.

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    You obviously don't know me...
    Never said I did, but if you’re as naive as that post, then I stand by what I said.

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    i didn't realize that we had so many "world renowned" professionals on this site. you'd think they'd have so little time to actually conduct their research considering the average amount of daily posts they have here on ST.
    Apparently there's a lot you don't know. Sorry that you don't know any professionals man.

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    I mean all RC was said Hey Buzzbee's not right. Did you really need them to say that to feel better that they speak out about racism? I mean come on man. This is weak. You are better than this.

    Where did I say they should not speak out about racism, womens rights, workplace culture etc.? I said they are RIGHT in doing so. And that it’s disappointing that when its at their doorstep, amongst always doing this regardless, that they stay silent as and we just eat it?

    Im only saying this pattern of speaking up should not die because it happened to you. Right is right, wrong is wrong and its ok to say “something’s happened that led to Primos release and we do care about workplace culture. Due to the sensitive nature we cant say more but hope to show that we value everyone”

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    Jury can do whatever in the they want. For instance I know if I ever get called to be on the jury of a non-violent drug case the state ain't getting a conviction unless the defendant is selling to ten year olds since I think prohibition is bull . I'd just lie when the lawyers are picking a jury.
    Yea...some people lie to get on a jury for sure...but a good legal team has people who are well versed in determining who's lying. They'll ask baseline (no pun based on your name) questions and then more material ones to measure responses.... so what I'm saying is that it's the legal teams job to avoid having those people on the jury.

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    Maybe - I know its a legal issue. But, even outside of just spurs, players pile on owners for creating toxic workplace environments but when a player hits their wife? Crickets.

    Beyond that aspect, its an issue with Spurs, even outside of legal issues, that they hold fans in contempt and dont feel we deserve any explanations etc..its built up frustration leading to this event.

    I still think, like what RC just said, is basic and can be done without making fans feel on personally. Dont think thats a hot take IMO
    I see what you're saying. I have no problem with them being outspoken on events and I understand why they're quiet here and don't equate that with the silence on other things but I see your point. The Spurs will probably lose a lot of their shine on this either way unless Buzzbee is 100% full of so maybe things will change.

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    How is this a false equivalency when its in the same area of workplace culture, rights etc…you want to say its legal and they cant say anything? Fine. That’s reasonable. But dont act like its any different than when players/coaches (not just spurs) speak up when its race, womens rights and especially workplace culture in the nba. That is a major, major topic these last few years with Mavs, Ime, Spurs now etc…
    you see, this is an example of another popular fallacy. it's called the strawman.

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    Yeah, that Buzbee timeline is the crux of this specific case. If that timeline is wrong and the Spurs can prove it, the case falls apart (from a liability standpoint) pretty fast, IMO.

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