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I don't have the time to look it all up right now... but Wright just started making draft decisions in '21, correct? That was Primo and Wieskamp
Do we know who made the decisions to draft this past summer? Was it still Wright?
when u make a diversity hire who tanked/missed on all his picks with his previous franchise this is what u get...........
I don't have the time to look it all up right now... but Wright just started making draft decisions in '21, correct? That was Primo and Wieskamp
Do we know who made the decisions to draft this past summer? Was it still Wright?
I'm positive there were many draft turds between 1999 and 2012 too. Leon Smith, Jean Charles, Ian Mahinmi come to mind right now.
The rest of the league caught up. Especially in the realm of international scouting and late bloomer college players.
Also, the Kawhi year long trade drama shook the franchise to it's core and scared them into pivoting towards a "character over ability" mindset in regards to drafting.
I dont understand how anyone, without nitpicking, can look at the league as a whole vs Spurs and come to the conclusion SA has a draft problem? Have their been misses? Absolutely.
But more than others? Not really. They may not be “best” any more but they are still upper echelon
I think Wright was director of scouting and assistant general manager for the Pistons when they took Stanley Johnson #8 in 2015 and Henry Ellenson at 18 in 2016, then hired by SA in August 2016
Re: the premise, the Spurs need to be a lot better with managing the assets of the draft in total.
They can't waste picks, especially lottery picks.
Milutinov was a mistake. Whether you think he wasn't good enough, or if like me you think he was good enough and was mishandled as an asset, either way that pick was a disaster.
Luka: disaster. Primo: disaster.
Sengun just dropped 26 and 13 last night, while Primo and his lawyer are strategizing on how long his shorts should be when he's next in public.
There's been a cavalier at ude for a long time which I think became part of the culture and has to be overcome in time. Scola was a disaster probably cost them multiple series wins and maybe more. Sure they won les without him, but how about maximizing the talent through the ways available.
Not picking up Ian's option. Guy played another 10 years.
Letting Anderson and Walker and Joseph hit free agency and walk with nothing in return. Granting De Colo's wish, while the Raptors ruined his chances at an NBA comeback by refusing to release his restricted rights. In a way he would have been better off had they kept him and just granted his freedom after wards.
And as much credit they deserve for moving up to take Kawhi, the full context should not be forgotten.
Spurs motivation to make that trade was probably just as much to avoid having to pay George Hill as to get a young wing. If Hill had signaled he would sign cheap, I don't know if that trade even happens
Yes, but he was assistant GM and didn't have the final say in Detroit or SA until he became GM in 2019... and I remember reading that even though he was GM, he still didn't have final say in draft picks right away. I'm not sure if he was the one who chose Devin and Tre or not... I do know he chose Primo and Wieskamp... not sure if he made all the picks this past draft or if Pop got more involved again.
I remember all of that being in one of the many (50 page) draft threads that I'm sure I'll dig through in the coming days
EDIT to say that while I have been happy with the recent trades, I have no idea who was behind the good draft picks (I just know he was behind picking Primo and I'm fine with him leaving because of it)
That's the NBA you can't sign everyone, especially when you have 3 stars taking a huge chunk of your cap. So yeah ian sucked and wasn't worth keeping. Walker sucks and was worth paying, joseph was ok, but they had patty mills. De colo was a slow crub, These are nitpicking complaints. (PS you missed beno udrih)
If they did not draft Kawhi, they will draft Butler instead of Cory which would not be bad would it?
oh yeah, presti totally slipped my mind somehow
how retārded are you? i gave murray the #1 ranking among the spurs picks over the 14 years. i literally did that in the first post of the thread.
yeah the spurs drafted a star. and you asked what happened. well those who will be stars have not been given the opportunity. like most of your threads you stack the deck with your "questions" so as to weasel out.
i'm not weaseling out at all. this thread about how fantastic the picks were from 99 to 08 vs the last 14 years.
this speaks to the point of the thread
after 08 was:
james anderson. looked like he had a solid shot but honestly seemed... a bit heavy / slow for his position. unfortunately hurt his foot and eventually fell out of the league.
cory joseph. was what he was.
jean-charles. poster was mistaken, he was drafted after 08.
kyle anderson. 85% of ST was fine with him being gone.
nikola milutinov.
lonnie walker. gone.
luka amanić. gone.
primo was drafted #12. ST is more upset with a wasted 12th pick than with losing primo.
What happened to their drafting? They're still objectively one of the best drafting teams in the league: https://towardsdatascience.com/which...g-20070ccd1702
Since 2009, the rank the 2nd best drafting team.
More recently:
2015-20: Spurs Rank #5
2016-20: Spurs Rank #4
2017-20: Spurs Rank #5
2018-20: Spurs Rank #13
2019-20: Spurs Rank #9
2020 Only: Spurs Rank #5
Yeah, you can point at the misses... but are you forgetting the Spurs also drafted Murray, White and Keldon all with the #29 pick? Sure, they aren't finding the Manu's and Tony's, but they are still a well above average drafting team.
maybe read the first post in the thread?
two people in the thread have pointed to this: https://towardsdatascience.com/which...g-20070ccd1702.
dismiss that. the raptors are #1, over twice as high as any other team
the raptors haven't even drafted that many good players. and the study consists of player's play . . . in their conference. demar is a perfect example of bloated number in the regular season, against weak teams in the east.
also, the study is after 08. so even if the spurs have been #2 since then, that doesn't mean there hasn't been a dramatic fall off.
No dramatic fall off there is a link to a site where you can adjust starting year.two people in the thread have pointed to this: https://towardsdatascience.com/which...g-20070ccd1702.
dismiss that. the raptors are #1, over twice as high as any other team
the raptors haven't even drafted that many good players. and the study consists of player's play . . . in their conference. demar is a perfect example of bloated number in the regular season, against weak teams in the east.
also, the study is after 08. so even if the spurs have been #2 since then, that doesn't mean there hasn't been a dramatic fall off.
2020 Vassell and Tre.
Yeah, it's a stupid narrative.
Look at GSW right now. Wiseman is possibly the worst player in the NBA, no exaggeration. He's not their only problem but he's awful. Kuminga looks pretty awful, too. And then they gave Jordan Poole a huge amount of money and he's not looking good, either.
The Primo pick sucks, but iirc the only players obvious at that spot they missed are Sengun and Trey Murphy. (No one rated Herb Jones at that point.)
Franchises have flubbed top ten picks much worse. And there really wasn't that much left at that point.
Ya - Primo draft just sucked overall. Spurs spot and past that it was pretty bad. I was made the second that pick was made tbh…but it was about process. Im not mad about any players they missed on. No one good enough to care about in that regard.
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