2022-2023 Spurs Trade Rumors Thread

[Ariel]

Warriors don't have a completely ty record, but they are awful on the road and the pieces don't seem to be there to internally improve.

They need wing defenders, which we aren't selling. They might be interested in Poeltl. Their salaries are hard to work with.

Wiseman is pretty much a complete bust at this point. Only Thabeet, Anthony Bennett, and Wiseman have been demoted to G-League play at this point in their careers.

Kuminga has promise, but by most accounts he's selfish, arrogant, lazy, and doesn't want to work. Bought an orange Lambo or something as soon as he could. Not that that's a bad thing, but there's a lot of talk about how he was the same before getting drafted.

Moody I think has some future, which is why I don't think they'll trade him. But he's basically the same player he was in college, I think even the same shooting percentages.

Baldwin is maybe even more of a crazy swing of the bat. He was awful in college. Not sure why they kept drafting these sorts of players.

I think Wiseman could still pan out, but he's a long way, injury prone, and into his 3° year which means his rookie scale contract will soon end and a new one will be needed, and he might leave Golden State anyway, so I'm not sure how valuable he is as an asset. Kumminga and Moody I would take, but I want no part of Baldwin. Kumminga might be close in value to Poeltl just on potential alone, Moody would have to come with some more assets attached. But I could see why a trade with Golden State would be interesting for both parties.

[Ariel]

I don't think Boston offers Timelord for Poeltl. When he's in their line up their defense is world class, plus he's on a bargain contract through 2026. Poeltl would probably be a half season rental in a push to win a championship.

Boston would certainly make sure they could afford him afterwards, were that to happen. But the problem with Robert Williams is that he's not as dependable as Poeltl, and already unavailable this season. Also, keeping both Poeltl & Williams on the roster is not the best cap use. Boston's time is NOW, every season that passes is a golden chance missed, so not putting the best team you can on the floor also comes at a huge opportunity cost. IMO if we rid ourselves of Poeltl it has to be for a chance at something special, and I think we can do better than a pick in the 25-30 range and filler. If it's a couple unprotected, long term picks, however, that might change...

[R. DeMurre]

Boston would certainly make sure they could afford him afterwards, were that to happen. But the problem with Robert Williams is that he's not as dependable as Poeltl, and already unavailable this season. Also, keeping both Poeltl & Williams on the roster is not the best cap use. Boston's time is NOW, every season that passes is a golden chance missed, so not putting the best team you can on the floor also comes at a huge opportunity cost. IMO if we rid ourselves of Poeltl it has to be for a chance at something special, and I think we can do better than a pick in the 25-30 range and filler. If it's a couple unprotected, long term picks, however, that might change...

But if Boston's willing to give up on RWlll (he's due back soon according to a report yesterday), wouldn't that be a sign that they see/know something to indicate there's a good chance he won't be able to stay healthy going forward? How would Boston make sure Poeltl could be kept after this season? He's already made it clear he won't sign an extension, and wants to test the free agent waters. We'll see what happens, but I just don't see them offering a straight swap. Having both would be incredible for defensive depth and a le run, but having just Poeltl would slightly raise the floor while maybe also slightly lowering the ceiling. I don't think Brad Stevens takes that risk.

[exstatic]

None of those teams can give us a great pick. Nolo has Dyson Daniels if I remember. He’s a good prospect kinda buried on that team. A pick and Daniels might be interesting.

GS doesn’t have much. Their prospects have failed them. Wiseman has no trade value today. Maybe his time in the G will have him looking better.

Boston has a handful of picks left to trade, basically 2025,2026,2027,2029. Those aren’t near term, but from a contender, you don want near term

[BacktoBasics]

NOLA ain't trading Dyson Daniels.

I don't disagree but that might be the only thing I'm open to because a late 1st isn't better than simply resigning him. He's not that old.

[BacktoBasics]

Boston has a handful of picks left to trade, basically 2025,2026,2027,2029. Those aren’t near term, but from a contender, you don want near term

In this scenario I can see why they'd want two unprotected picks or possibly top 5 protected. Lottery protected isn't worth it in my opinion.

[mo7888]

I don't think Boston offers Timelord for Poeltl. When he's in their line up their defense is world class, plus he's on a bargain contract through 2026. Poeltl would probably be a half season rental in a push to win a championship. If anything, the Celtics would be trying to double down on defense like they did with Derrick White behind Smart and Brown. They'd probably need to include Gallinari to make the numbers work, but he can't be traded back to San Antonio this year, so a third team would need to be involved-- someone like Indiana, who has cap space. I could see an offer something like this:

Spurs get Kornet, Hauser, and 1st round pick (various years are available)

Celtics get Poeltl

Indian gets Gallinari and one or more 2nd round picks, from one or both of Celtics/Spurs


I'm not advocating for this, but the advantages would be seen as this: Kornet and Hauser both have the potential to be extremely low cost decent quality bench depth who'd minimally affect San Antonio's cap space (they'd actually create more cap space), losing Poeltl would help the tank in the short term dream of getting Wemby, & the Spurs would potentially have another home run swing to pair with their 2026 pick swap. Things change fast in the NBA, and if by some crazy turn of events Tatum is no longer a Celtic in 4 years, the Spurs might be in the same position that the Pelicans are now with their Laker pick.

I think we'd be better off just holding him to the off-season and take our chances there.

[Ariel]

But if Boston's willing to give up on RWlll (he's due back soon according to a report yesterday), wouldn't that be a sign that they see/know something to indicate there's a good chance he won't be able to stay healthy going forward? How would Boston make sure Poeltl could be kept after this season? He's already made it clear he won't sign an extension, and wants to test the free agent waters. We'll see what happens, but I just don't see them offering a straight swap. Having both would be incredible for defensive depth and a le run, but having just Poeltl would slightly raise the floor while maybe also slightly lowering the ceiling. I don't think Brad Stevens takes that risk.

When teams make heavy investments in players with expiring deals, they usually have some knowledge of the players' expectations and, at least, a reasonable degree of confidence in their ability to sign them long term. That's not a guarantee, of course (are there ever any?), but more like a calculated risk they could see worth taking (see Harden & Philly). Or not, who knows.

In the case of Poeltl, the whole "wanting to test he FA waters" deal is a metaphor for not settling for less than he could get, since his current deal limits any extension to around 14 something million per year. What Boston would acquire if they trade for him, are his Bird rights meaning they could go as high as it takes within the CBA, and putting themselves in pole position to sign him. I also wouldn't have anticipated Brad Stevens pulling the trigger on the Derrick White deal, yet he did.

As for Robert Williams, his health is definitely a concern the Spurs should make their due diligence on, yes. I'm taking that for granted if it goes through, otherwise it's a definite pass.

[R. DeMurre]

When teams make heavy investments in players with expiring deals, they usually have some knowledge of the players' expectations and, at least, a reasonable degree of confidence in their ability to sign them long term. That's not a guarantee, of course (are there ever any?), but more like a calculated risk they could see worth taking (see Harden & Philly). Or not, who knows.

In the case of Poeltl, the whole "wanting to test he FA waters" deal is a metaphor for not settling for less than he could get, since his current deal limits any extension to around 14 something million per year. What Boston would acquire if they trade for him, are his Bird rights meaning they could go as high as it takes within the CBA, and putting themselves in pole position to sign him. I also wouldn't have anticipated Brad Stevens pulling the trigger on the Derrick White deal, yet he did.

As for Robert Williams, his health is definitely a concern the Spurs should make their due diligence on, yes. I'm taking that for granted if it goes through, otherwise it's a definite pass.

I think the D White deal is quintessential Brad Stevens-- landing a glue guy with great impact stats who doesn't need the ball and is never going to gripe about shots, who is more aggressive about passing than shooting, who plays great D? That's the absolute perfect fit for a team that already has Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, and RWlll. Good discussion, though. It'll be fun to see what unfolds.

[TD 21]

Can't see the Celtics, probably the best team in the league with a mostly youngish core, trading any rotation players.

Poeltl makes no sense for the Warriors when their two primary bigs are already a non and virtual non shooter and next season, the difference between Poeltl's projected contract and Wiseman's would bloat their already historic tax bill even more.

Wiseman is also not good enough value for Poeltl at this point and the Spurs have clearly prioritized picks, un or lightly protected specifically, in recent trades.

[BackHome]

Damn Warriors really doing bad they have yet to win a road game they 0 - 8 so far this season.

[CGD]

None of those teams can give us a great pick. Nolo has Dyson Daniels if I remember. He’s a good prospect kinda buried on that team. A pick and Daniels might be interesting.

GS doesn’t have much. Their prospects have failed them. Wiseman has no trade value today. Maybe his time in the G will have him looking better.

The idea is to probably get way out there picks, so who knows where those teams will be in 4-5 years.

[CGD]

I think the D White deal is quintessential Brad Stevens-- landing a glue guy with great impact stats who doesn't need the ball and is never going to gripe about shots, who is more aggressive about passing than shooting, who plays great D? That's the absolute perfect fit for a team that already has Tatum, Brown, Smart, Horford, and RWlll. Good discussion, though. It'll be fun to see what unfolds.

I think a Celtics deal would have us taking back Al Hortford’s expiring into space. That’s the “weakness” they’re seeking to upgrade after all.

[rankingtear]

Jakob defends Giannis very well maybe top 3 that is why it seems like we have MIL number for years now. Celtics biggest hurdle on their way to the finals is that MIL team no other team is really close. Other than he fits their system like a glove, this is one of their motivation.

[tbdog]

Poelt for the warriors is perfect fit for them. But gee, you want youth and a pick back. And I'm not sure they want to resign Poeltl.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Unless it’s a fleecing I’d rather resign Poetl. He’s barely out of the timeline and plays team basketball. I know the popular opinion is that he’s easy to replace but he’s a high level glue guy and then some.

Our team has shown great progress and we’re really only a player or two away. All this cap space too.

There is a lot of value keeping Poetl.

I agree. Glue guys are hard to find these days and we’ll want to be using our pick on filling other needs. It’s one position checked off the list that shouldn’t be a bank breaker to keep around. A late FRP for Poeltl doesn’t justify the trade.

[mo7888]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

[tonight...you]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

Yet again? This is what, 3 seasons in a row they're trying to get rid of him?

[Mr. Body]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

Lol, did they ever stop? They've been open to trading him since they re-signed him.

[BackHome]

Yeah no one wants him

[CGD]

Not Spurs related I don't believe but Atlanta has opened trade discussions on JCollins- Shams

And PHX wants something of value for Crowder. Both are overstating the value of their players, which may make them perfect for each other.

ATL —> Crowder + KBD + Suns FRP
PHX—> Collins
SAS—> Saric + Suns FRP

[mo7888]

And PHX wants something of value for Crowder. Both are overstating the value of their players, which may make them perfect for each other.

ATL —> Crowder + KBD + Suns FRP
PHX—> Collins
SAS—> Saric + Suns FRP

If we could turn kbd into a 1st that's Jedi mind trick stuff right there . Sign me up....

[CGD]

If we could turn kbd into a 1st that Jedi mind trick stuff right there . Sign me up....

Well as I see it the teams that are said to love Crowder (ATL, MIA) will absolutely need to bring in a team with space to make the deal work. So it’s more about being opportunistic, especially with Suns who are said not to really value their picks that highly. I could see PHX wanting spurs to eat Shatmat too. The inclusion of KBD is mostly to open up a roster spot for the trade.

[CGD]

The version with Miami would look something like:

MIA—> Crowder
PHX—> Richardson + Romeo
SAS—> Robinsons terrible contract; Sarics contract; Suns FRP; and Jovic

[BacktoBasics]

I'm high on Jovic. I wanted him at the draft.

Not for Robinson's contract. That's too much and isn't there like 3 years left on that nightmare?