Yeah it’s not excellent, which is why we’d need an asset from PHX too. I believe Robinson’s deal is 3 (ouch!) years after this one, but the last year is an ETO which functionally makes it 2 more years only.
The deal could expand to include Doug to Miami so that basically the spurs are only eating one of those Duncan Robinson years, but I wonder if they’d balk at adding Jovic then.
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Hoopshype has Duncan Robinson's last contract year as a player option. That's my go-to site but I don't know if it's necessarily the most accurate.
I don't think Jovic and a late first are enough for having to eat that awful contract on top of losing Richardson.
But the bones of a deal are there. Miami wants Crowder and wants to get off that horrible contract. Phoenix could use Richardson. The Heat can only trade a first in 2023 or 2028/2029 while the Suns have all of their own picks.
That is actually pretty interesting probably one of the better trade ideas I have seen. The good thing for any team to do a third party deal they will need us to dump a high paying contract like Westbrook which is going to cost. So the hope is you either get multiple picks or one good pick and a young player we like - I like Jovic
This is the year that Boston, Suns, really have a good chance of ringing because the Warriors are playing slightly better then the Flakers. So if I am there GM and I can get a player I think gives us a better chance of ringing then draft pick doesn’t matter to me - Toronto
We seem pretty attached to having cap flexibility. Eating a one year deal like Westbrook makes sense but I doubt they'd want to tie up that much money for multiple years when this team has shown enough promise that one big signing could propel this team into the playoffs.
Not only that but being able to absorb a bad contract for a pick year after year is enticing. We could potentially get a pick for a Westbrook type deal, then do it again next year with someone else. If we do a deal for Robinson we're stuck with it for a few years and can't repeat a deal like that next year. Limiting our ability to rent out cap space. A Robinson deal needs to be heavily weighted in our favor.
I keep seeing people say they wouldnt want NO because their pick will not be good. Remember they have swap rights with LA this year. That could end up being a really good pick. I could see NO saying no to us for this years pick because they value it. If they think they can win this year though you never know what could be done.
This is what is shaping up. The trophy is there for any contender that wants to push and get it. Last year's was fairly cheap with the Suns imploding, the Celtics being un-clutch, and only an above-average Warriors team having the experience to get it. This year things are even more flat. Denver, Mil, Boston, Phil, and lots of others, all have a chance. Even a team like Portland has a chance.
While I don't think we'll be directly in the mix I think KAT will be on the market before the deadline. There's a little friction between he and Edwards and the KAT/Rudy pairing doesn't work. It'll continue to get more chippy up there and I think he'll be the odd man out. I could see us being involved as a 3rd team in a deal involving him.
One guy I have my eye on if Poeltl gets traded is Nick Richards of the Hornets. He's shown steady growth in his three years in the league, and is a restricted free agent next summer. He hasn't blown up (yet?), so it might be the right time to catch him on a bargain contract.
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2023
https://basketball.realgm.com/player...b-Poeltl/53231
https://www.basketball-reference.com...richani01.html
It feels like KAT has the Knicks written all over him.
Maybe Minny can get some picks back from the horrible trade...
But if I'm Minny, I'm trying to dump Russell to improve the roster before giving up on KAT
Problem is Russell is a negative asset but on an expiring $30m salary he probably becomes a positive one where a contender is willing to give up a pick.
KAT is obviously a strong positive asset despite his defensive flaws and softness.
I too think the Wolves trade both these guys before the deadline. KAT is just too slow and poor defensively to play the 4 in today’s NBA. Russell just sucks and always has been an inefficient chucker.
In terms of a trade market for KAT, I think he needs to play next to a 4 that can protect the rim because KAT is so bad at that. And there needs to be at least 2 strong defenders in the starting 5.
Looking through the standings quickly.
Milwaukee would be a fit with Giannis and Jrue. Not sure the bucks want to give up Middleton for KAT though.
Maybe the Raptors next to Siakam and Anunoby if they are willing to give up Barnes (he’s become overrated as if he’s a future franchise player which he’s not).
Knicks I can see making a push but no way you can play him next to Randle that’s pathetic defensively.
Miami maybe if they don’t have to give up Adebayo. Maybe the heat can give up Herro plus multiple 1sts and you can slide Bam down to the 4 who would be good defensively bext to KAT.
Memphis would be a good fit with Jaren Jackson at the 4. Adams is nearly 30 but does give them toughness.
Portland could do with an upgrade over Nurk. Grant at the 4 is a decent fit next to KAT.
I agree. Russ needs to go.
KAT can be schemed more correctly on O.
Damn.
Good points.
I still think KAT can be schemed better on O and I wonder why they don't have him drift more outwards more often.
He's capable.
Miami and Memphis are way too smart to go after KAT.
Yeah agree in the sense they understand the value of defense, intangibles etc. more than other teams. But Miami will be desperate to win given they have $450 million in guaranteed money in these 4 guys (Butler, Adebayo, Herro, Robinson). Yes, $450 million.
KAT to Knicks. Just waiting for it
Spotrac and Capulator have the third year as an ETO, which I would expect any reasonable team would exercise if his trajectory stays as it is now. I’m assuming then it’s two more years of Robinson after this one (obviously still ty).
I’m also not partial to Jovic per se, but if memory serves I believe all of Miami’s picks are either owed or en bered for a while. If there is a better MIA asset then go for it.
What do we think of a Jakob trade to GSW for some of their young talent? I’m still in on Wiseman tbh
I don't think Wiseman has any value. He could be filler that we could try to revive (ala Romeo) but we'd still need 2 assets... two unprotected 1sts...or an unprotected 1st and Kuminga or Moody I'd guess..
Wiseman literally doesn't know how to play basketball. He's completely lost and best case scenario he becomes a decent backup for a playoff team or a starter on a tanking team.
His defense is worse than LMA's in his last season with us.
He has no moves on offense because they never taught him anything other than to dunk on less athletic kids.
A lost cause.
Haven't seen enough of others, but they haven't shown much potential, either.
Imo, Jakob should be extended unless someone gives us either two first rounders or a good, young player with a pick attached.
We don't need to be sellers at all costs, our roster is almost complete. We're not a franchise that will tank for half a decade.
Keldon and Devin seem to be locks for SG and SF spots, Sochan has looked great for a rookie and worst case scenario he'll be an elite defender.
If we extend Jakob, we only need a starting PG. And a legit one. Modern NBA point guard with range and elite passing, should be the best player on the team, tbh.
Also, as you can see, bigs who are not MVP-level players aren't that useful in today's league. You have to overpay the likes of Gobert, KAT or even Ayton and they're not worth it in today's game.
Jakob is a perfect modern NBA big, one of the best defenders in the league and if we don't land Victor, which we most likely won't, I don't see a single reason why should we let him go. If there are no offers too good to refuse, obviously.
Get the best player available in the next draft, if it's Scoot or another PG (I don't really follow college ball) great. If not, our payroll for the next season is at $54 million only and we can trade (or trade up in the draft) for one.
This franchise won't be tanking next season, we might not be good enough yet, but there's nothing worse than to have a culture of losing for many consecutive years.
^ This "only a PG away notion", if that were really the case then why did they trade Murray?
There isn't anything to suggest he wanted out.
You can call it what you want, but it's a virtual certainty that the team will suck again next season.
Because they don't think he's elite and is replaceable. And I don't think there's a reasonable argument that we're just a PG away. We certainly need one but we also have to have an elite alpha type of talent and quality depth to really compete.
wasnt the rumor he said he would test fa?!
Right and I don't think they think they're close either, otherwise I find it hard to believe they traded Murray (who's fit on social media led me to believe he was far more disappointed than he let on) for a miniscule chance at Henderson, who might be the only projected elite PG prospect for a while.
Agreed. Right now, of the notable youth, in terms of ceilings on a good team, I project the following . . .
- Johnson and Vassel as 3rd or 4th best players
- Jones as backup PG
- Sochan as fringe starter/third big
- Branham and Wesley TBD, but unlikely to be starters
I can see that but I would put Vassell as a strong 2nd best player if keeps getting better as he has shown.
Sochan well he was one of the youngest players drafted and we all know there is a LEAP in player development from first to third year so I will reach and say he will be second or third best player for us.
Branham I look as a good bench player who can get us buckets until he can improve on defense
Blake - he may have the highest upside he could be really good or really bad all depends on his work ethic and Spurs development program
Tre- As our backup PG well until Blake can beat him out
We are not one player away from being a serious team we definitely need a top 4 person in this draft and probably at least be in the top 10 next year. After that I think we will have the talent and depth to start making serious runs
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