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    Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not.
    They don't?

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    Trump is getting more anti-woke all the time

    Former U.S. President Donald Trump hosted Kanye West at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida alongside Nick Fuentes, a Holocaust revisionist who has openly questioned the number of Jews killed by the Nazis.

    The meeting, which has not been confirmed by Trump, would be among his most notable associations with extremists with histories of explicit antisemitic remarks, days after declaring his 2024 presidential candidacy.
    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2022...c-eba891ed0000

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    very anti-woke


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    Trump talks with white nationalist Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago dinner

    Kanye West very much wanted to visit Mar-a-Lago. Our dinner meeting was intended to be Kanye and me only, but he arrived with a guest whom I had never met and knew nothing about.

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    Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not.
    LOL more concerned about a transsexual in charge at a day care than a nazi insurrectionist in charge of nuclear launches.

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    Because they already terrify him at the library

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    Because they already terrify him at the library
    Bad enough for him that blacks run day care centers since he was also terrified of them.

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    Because they already terrify him at the library
    They serve Busch Light at libraries now?

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    The malicious, historically illiterate 1619 Project keeps rolling on

    The New York Times is like God, who, if Genesis reported Creation correctly, beheld His handiwork and decided “it was very good.” The Times is comparably pleased with itself concerning its creation, “The 1619 Project.”

    This began in August 2019 as a special edition of the paper’s Sunday magazine. Now it has become a book by which the Times continues attempting to “reframe” U.S. history. In the Times, an advertisement for the Times’s book describes it as “a dramatic expansion of a groundbreaking work of journalism.” That description damages journalism’s reputation for respecting facts, which the 2019 writing that begot this book did not do. The 1619 Project’s tendentiousness reeks of political purpose.

    The Times’s original splashy assertion – slightly fudged after the splash garnered a Pulitzer Prize – was that the American Revolution, the most important event in our history, was shameful because a primary reason it was fought was to preserve slavery. The war was supposedly ignited by a November 1775 British offer of freedom to Blacks who fled slavery and joined British forces. Well.

    That offer came after increasingly volcanic American reactions to various British provocations: After the 1765 Stamp Act. After the 1770 Boston Massacre. After the 1773 Boston Tea Party. After the 1774 Coercive Acts (including closure of Boston’s port) and other events of “The Long Year of Revolution” (the sub le of Mary Beth Norton’s “1774”). And after, in 1775, the April 17 battles of Lexington and Concord, the June 17 battle of Bunker Hill and George Washington on July 3 assuming command of the Continental Army.

    Writing history is not like doing physics. But event A cannot have caused event B if B began before A.

    Addressing the American Council of Trustees and Alumni last month, Gordon S. Wood, today’s foremost scholar of America’s Founding, dissected the 1619 Project’s contentions. When the Revolution erupted, Britain “was not threatening to abolish slavery in its empire,” which included lucrative, slavery-dependent sugar-producing colonies in the Caribbean. Wood added:

    “If the Virginian slaveholders had been frightened of British abolitionism, why only eight years after the war ended would the board of visitors or the trustees of the College of William & Mary, wealthy slaveholders all, award an honorary degree to Granville Sharp, the leading British abolitionist at the time? Had they changed their minds so quickly? … The New York Times has no accurate knowledge of Virginia’s Revolutionary culture and cannot begin to answer these questions.” The Times’s political agenda requires ignoring what Wood knows:

    “It was the American colonists who were interested in abolitionism in 1776. … Not only were the northern states the first slaveholding governments in the world to abolish slavery, but the United States became the first nation in the world to begin actively suppressing the de able international slave trade. The New York Times has the history completely backwards.”

    George F. Will: The ‘1619 Project’ is filled with slovenliness and ideological ax-grinding

    Wood’s doctoral dissertation adviser in 1960 to 1964 was Bernard Bailyn, the le of whose best-known book, “The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution,” conveys a refutation of the 1619 Project’s premise that the Revolution originated from base economic motives. When Bailyn died a year after the 1619 Project was launched, the Times’s obituary noted that he had challenged the “Progressive Era historians … who saw the founders’ revolutionary rhetoric as a mask for economic interests.” Actually, the rhetoric gave momentum to ideas that were the Revolution.

    The 1619 Project, which might already be embedded in school curricula near you, reinforces the racial monomania of those progressives who argue that the nation was founded on, and remains saturated by, “systemic racism.” This racial obsession is instrumental; it serves a radical agenda that sweeps beyond racial matters. It is the agenda of clearing away all impediments, intellectual and ins utional, to — in progressivism’s vocabulary — the “transformation” of the nation. The United States will be built back better when it has been instructed to be ashamed of itself and is eager to discard its disreputable heritage.

    The 1619 Project aims to erase (in Wood’s words) “the Revolution and the principles that it articulated – liberty, equality and the well-being of ordinary people.” These ideas are, as Wood says, the adhesives that bind our exceptional nation whose people have shared principles, not a shared ancestry.

    The Times says “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional” flows from “slavery and the anti-black racism it required.” So, the 1619 Project’s historical illiteracy is not innocent ignorance. Rather, it is maliciousness in the service of progressivism’s agenda, which is to construct a thoroughly different nation on the deconstructed rubble of what progressives hope will be the nation’s thoroughly discredited past.

    https://www.goacta.org/news-item/the...ps-rolling-on/

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    If slavery was a dead letter in 1789 why did we have a Civil War over it in 1861?

    If white supremacy was a dead letter in 1865, why did we need to restore civil rights to African Americans in 1964-5?
    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-04-2022 at 10:45 PM.

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    Face it, vy65, we've had full legal equality for everyone -- intermittently -- for only about 80 years. Jim Crow lasted about that long.

    Do you think legislation 60 years ago killed white privilege instantly?

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    (Not even counting women here, that fraction of full equality is comparable.)

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    Leaving supposed inaccuracies about the founding and pre-founding completely aside, I don't really see how one can say with a straight face that racism and race privilege has vanished in the US.

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    , we still have racial gerrymandering parading under the rubric of -- completely legal now -- partisan redistricting.

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    GOP is the white people party. Non-whites are presumptively Democrats.

    God forbid the GOP should try to win their votes and their loyalty.

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    Republican legislatures crack and pack districts to minimize nonwhite representation instead of fighting for their votes. Very telling.

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    Leaving supposed inaccuracies about the founding and pre-founding completely aside.

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    Facts don't matter. Expertise, rigor, and methodology can and should be disregarded if they don't agree with your political agenda. This is QAnon for the other end of the ideological spectrum.

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    Facts don't matter. Expertise, rigor, and methodology can and should be disregarded if they don't agree with your political agenda. This is QAnon for the other end of the ideological spectrum.
    Are truth and factual accuracy important to the right?

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    GOP is the white people party. Non-whites are presumptively Democrats.

    God forbid the GOP should try to win their votes and their loyalty.
    Repugs are the Euro-White Straight Male Christian party.

    If you aren't one, then you are 2nd class citizen, to be discriminated against, persecuted, murdered

    When corrupt, illegit, fascist, Catholic SCOTUS6 rules for web designer refusing to design for LGBT, then SCOTUS6 will be enabling discrimination against everybody the Repugs/Christians hate: LGBT, women, non-whites, non-citizens.

    America is ed and un able. The Land of the UnFree

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    Are truth and factual accuracy important to the right?
    I don't think they are either -- I'm not a fan of the right. But why are you asking this question? To engage in whataboutism? Do you think the repeated and do ented inaccuracies of the 1619 Project do or don't matter?

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    I don't think they are either -- I'm not a fan of the right. But why are you asking this question? To engage in whataboutism? Do you think the repeated and do ented inaccuracies of the 1619 Project do or don't matter?
    I do think they matter.

    I think they matter way more to you than anything the right lied about and continues to lie about and makes laws enshrining those lies.

    I think that is a lot worse than the 1619 project that few actual people have read because unlike the 1619 project this coercively affects millions of people.

    Sorry I have to put it in perspective for you but I think you are more a fan of the right than you let on.

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    The malicious, historically illiterate 1619 Project keeps rolling on

    The New York Times is like God, who, if Genesis reported Creation correctly, beheld His handiwork and decided “it was very good.” The Times is comparably pleased with itself concerning its creation, “The 1619 Project.”

    This began in August 2019 as a special edition of the paper’s Sunday magazine. Now it has become a book by which the Times continues attempting to “reframe” U.S. history. In the Times, an advertisement for the Times’s book describes it as “a dramatic expansion of a groundbreaking work of journalism.” That description damages journalism’s reputation for respecting facts, which the 2019 writing that begot this book did not do. The 1619 Project’s tendentiousness reeks of political purpose.

    The Times’s original splashy assertion – slightly fudged after the splash garnered a Pulitzer Prize – was that the American Revolution, the most important event in our history, was shameful because a primary reason it was fought was to preserve slavery. The war was supposedly ignited by a November 1775 British offer of freedom to Blacks who fled slavery and joined British forces. Well.

    That offer came after increasingly volcanic American reactions to various British provocations: After the 1765 Stamp Act. After the 1770 Boston Massacre. After the 1773 Boston Tea Party. After the 1774 Coercive Acts (including closure of Boston’s port) and other events of “The Long Year of Revolution” (the sub le of Mary Beth Norton’s “1774”). And after, in 1775, the April 17 battles of Lexington and Concord, the June 17 battle of Bunker Hill and George Washington on July 3 assuming command of the Continental Army.

    Writing history is not like doing physics. But event A cannot have caused event B if B began before A.

    Addressing the American Council of Trustees and Alumni last month, Gordon S. Wood, today’s foremost scholar of America’s Founding, dissected the 1619 Project’s contentions. When the Revolution erupted, Britain “was not threatening to abolish slavery in its empire,” which included lucrative, slavery-dependent sugar-producing colonies in the Caribbean. Wood added:

    “If the Virginian slaveholders had been frightened of British abolitionism, why only eight years after the war ended would the board of visitors or the trustees of the College of William & Mary, wealthy slaveholders all, award an honorary degree to Granville Sharp, the leading British abolitionist at the time? Had they changed their minds so quickly? … The New York Times has no accurate knowledge of Virginia’s Revolutionary culture and cannot begin to answer these questions.” The Times’s political agenda requires ignoring what Wood knows:

    “It was the American colonists who were interested in abolitionism in 1776. … Not only were the northern states the first slaveholding governments in the world to abolish slavery, but the United States became the first nation in the world to begin actively suppressing the de able international slave trade. The New York Times has the history completely backwards.”

    George F. Will: The ‘1619 Project’ is filled with slovenliness and ideological ax-grinding

    Wood’s doctoral dissertation adviser in 1960 to 1964 was Bernard Bailyn, the le of whose best-known book, “The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution,” conveys a refutation of the 1619 Project’s premise that the Revolution originated from base economic motives. When Bailyn died a year after the 1619 Project was launched, the Times’s obituary noted that he had challenged the “Progressive Era historians … who saw the founders’ revolutionary rhetoric as a mask for economic interests.” Actually, the rhetoric gave momentum to ideas that were the Revolution.

    The 1619 Project, which might already be embedded in school curricula near you, reinforces the racial monomania of those progressives who argue that the nation was founded on, and remains saturated by, “systemic racism.” This racial obsession is instrumental; it serves a radical agenda that sweeps beyond racial matters. It is the agenda of clearing away all impediments, intellectual and ins utional, to — in progressivism’s vocabulary — the “transformation” of the nation. The United States will be built back better when it has been instructed to be ashamed of itself and is eager to discard its disreputable heritage.

    The 1619 Project aims to erase (in Wood’s words) “the Revolution and the principles that it articulated – liberty, equality and the well-being of ordinary people.” These ideas are, as Wood says, the adhesives that bind our exceptional nation whose people have shared principles, not a shared ancestry.

    The Times says “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional” flows from “slavery and the anti-black racism it required.” So, the 1619 Project’s historical illiteracy is not innocent ignorance. Rather, it is maliciousness in the service of progressivism’s agenda, which is to construct a thoroughly different nation on the deconstructed rubble of what progressives hope will be the nation’s thoroughly discredited past.

    https://www.goacta.org/news-item/the...ps-rolling-on/
    Discussion is fine and a healthy result of the 1619 Project, especially when it comes to the accuracy of claims, but it seems conservatives can't help but spiral that discussion into some version of "Progressives want to destroy our country and make children ashamed of themselves" at the outset.

    What are the beloved and necessary American ins utions the NY Times and progressives supposedly want to deconstruct here?

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    I do think they matter.

    I think they matter way more to you than anything the right lied about and continues to lie about and makes laws enshrining those lies.

    I think that is a lot worse than the 1619 project that few actual people have read because unlike the 1619 project this coercively affects millions of people.

    Sorry I have to put it in perspective for you but I think you are more a fan of the right than you let on.
    Amateur psychoanalyst take aside, we agree that the right systemically lies and that has real consequences. But this is a thread about "woke" -- and the example of the 1619 Project shows how the left also lies and how those lies have consequences. Both can be true - but you're deflecting attention away from a paradigmatic example of what "woke" portends to be and why it's a bankrupt project. Why can't you just say that you agree without giving in to playing the whatabout game?

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