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    I think this is a number that needs to be battered into the tankers more than anything else.
    86 percent to fail your dreams.
    86 percent to not get Wemby.
    Think about that.
    100% if you don't try.

    If you suck anyway, and there's 14% chance you get a generational player, or a great pick.... You know, someone IS gonna get Victor whom they'd never have gotten if the didn't tank hard.

    It's not like you get Victor or nothing anyway. If you have have 14% chance to be a billionaire or otherwise a millionaire and that you have nothing to lose, what do you do? Don't you try because "Oh, I have 86% not to be a billionaire"?

    I mean Spurs are not contending anytime soon in the actual state of things. And From someone who's never been a tank psycho, but Victor changes everything... You can't at least try.
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    100% if you don't try.

    If you suck anyway, and there's 14% chance you get a generational player... You know, someone IS gonna get Victor and they'll be thrilled theyt tanked for him.

    nobody is expecting to get victorious. As long as spurs get that 14% chance its a W

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    I understand why VW is so highly touted as the combination of size and skills is just unprecedented people should really taper the expectations.

    Just based on the highlights there are still many rough edges to smooth out. He has a tendency to bring the ball down in the paint and pump fake when he can just shoot over anyone. His release isn’t the quickest (though it’s pretty much unblockable), I doubt he can dribble around nba talent like he does in the French league.

    If metro 92 makes the euro league it would provide a better look at where VW is at this point. He is currently just playing a bunch of c-level talent.

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    Not likely. The Spurs look headed for the worst record in the league.

    Not likely three teams will move ahead of them on lottery night.
    That’s actually happened at least once with the new flattened odds that started in 2019.

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    I understand why VW is so highly touted as the combination of size and skills is just unprecedented people should really taper the expectations.

    Just based on the highlights there are still many rough edges to smooth out. He has a tendency to bring the ball down in the paint and pump fake when he can just shoot over anyone. His release isn’t the quickest (though it’s pretty much unblockable), I doubt he can dribble around nba talent like he does in the French league.

    If metro 92 makes the euro league it would provide a better look at where VW is at this point. He is currently just playing a bunch of c-level talent.
    French A league is one of the 2 or 3 best in Europe, but yes, the Euroleague would give a much better view.

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    I understand why VW is so highly touted as the combination of size and skills is just unprecedented people should really taper the expectations.

    Just based on the highlights there are still many rough edges to smooth out. He has a tendency to bring the ball down in the paint and pump fake when he can just shoot over anyone. His release isn’t the quickest (though it’s pretty much unblockable), I doubt he can dribble around nba talent like he does in the French league.

    If metro 92 makes the euro league it would provide a better look at where VW is at this point. He is currently just playing a bunch of c-level talent.
    Allow me to better trust Lebron, Steph, Giannis and Durant (who all said he was gonna own the NBA for the next decade+) opinions over yours...

    Ofc he's still not perfect, he's 18... And we've ner seen that for an 18 prospect. But dude dropped 73 points in 71 minutes out of the plane vs. Scoot's team...

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    100% if you don't try.

    If you suck anyway, and there's 14% chance you get a generational player, or a great pick.... You know, someone IS gonna get Victor whom they'd never have gotten if the didn't tank hard.

    It's not like you get Victor or nothing anyway. If you have have 14% chance to be a billionaire or otherwise a millionaire and that you have nothing to lose, what do you do? Don't you try because "Oh, I have 86% not to be a billionaire"?

    I mean Spurs are not contending anytime soon in the actual state of things. And From someone who's never been a tank psycho, but Victor changes everything... You can't at least try.
    Good point.

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    It is is a good discussion to be had...I mean the odds are we don't get him so, what is the Plan B. Do we tank again next year for a high Pick? Do we throw money at a lower rent Wembanyama (Porzingus) in fa and follow the plan they've laid out? There are a lot of possibilities..
    Plan B is Scooter. Plan C is the 3rd guy on Tankathon. Plan D is the 4th guy on Tankathon, etc.

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    Plan B is Scooter. Plan C is the 3rd guy on Tankathon. Plan D is the 4th guy on Tankathon, etc.
    Yea but I'm not talking about who we pick if we're not #1... I'm talking about the plan for the direction of this team...

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    Allow me to better trust Lebron, Steph, Giannis and Durant (who all said he was gonna own the NBA for the next decade+) opinions over yours...

    Ofc he's still not perfect, he's 18... And we've ner seen that for an 18 prospect. But dude dropped 73 points in 71 minutes out of the plane vs. Scoot's team...
    He is certainly the best prospect since Lebron. The guy is a cheat code but there are rough edges. Expecting him to come in an immediately make the spurs, or any other lottery team, an instant contender is unrealistic.

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    ^ Timmy Dunks had 4 years at Wake and was 22 when he hit the NBA hardwood.

    So ya no reason to have some Chet happen and have Wama overextend.
    I'm on record as saying 50 reg season games max 1st year.

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    Will PATFO maneuver things to bring back Brent Forbes if Wama gets signed?

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    Yea but I'm not talking about who we pick if we're not #1... I'm talking about the plan for the direction of this team...
    You win 'chips with talent. However you can acquire it, you acquire it. If you need to tank 2 yrs in a row, you do it. But you don't do a Philly and tank for 6 yrs straight. Team can't last like that in this town. But we shouldn't have to either. There is enough talent on the team already that even if we get Scoot, we should win a a-lot of games next season.

    We have a good core, with an all-star PG and a couple more strong role or All-Star players on the road-map (Think ATL's picks), we are going to have a DEEP team that will contend every year to go far into the playoffs. But Wemby would get us there a lot faster.

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    You win 'chips with talent. However you can acquire it, you acquire it. If you need to tank 2 yrs in a row, you do it. But you don't do a Philly and tank for 6 yrs straight. Team can't last like that in this town. But we shouldn't have to either. There is enough talent on the team already that even if we get Scoot, we should win a a-lot of games next season.

    We have a good core, with an all-star PG and a couple more strong role or All-Star players on the road-map (Think ATL's picks), we are going to have a DEEP team that will contend every year to go far into the playoffs. But Wemby would get us there a lot faster.
    I kinda see it that way too... the question for me (in a non Wembanyama scenario) is do we start acquiring more proven commodities this summer or wait one more year and get a second top 8 draft pick the following year. I think I'm leaning towards acquiring talent this summer of its available. Run out our top 5 pick...KJ, Vassell and a player or two that we might be able to get this summer...

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    I kinda see it that way too... the question for me (in a non Wembanyama scenario) is do we start acquiring more proven commodities this summer or wait one more year and get a second top 8 draft pick the following year. I think I'm leaning towards acquiring talent this summer of its available. Run out our top 5 pick...KJ, Vassell and a player or two that we might be able to get this summer...
    That would depend on the player.

    If the player is Scoot, then I agree. He's good enough to make the team more compe ive day 1.

    If the player is Amen Thompson, for example, I think the Spurs wait. While he's very talented, he's also raw. Same with the other draft picks (Nick Smith Jr, Cam Whitmore, etc.).

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    ing hilarious. Fourteen percent chance. This is what happens when everything comes crashing down around your ears.

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    I kinda see it that way too... the question for me (in a non Wembanyama scenario) is do we start acquiring more proven commodities this summer or wait one more year and get a second top 8 draft pick the following year. I think I'm leaning towards acquiring talent this summer of its available. Run out our top 5 pick...KJ, Vassell and a player or two that we might be able to get this summer...
    My view too... they'll also have a bunch of FRPs the next few years who might materialize into one or two solid players in addition to the nice cap they have.

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    David Robinson was an excellent fit next to Timmy Duncan.

    Not sure where this "Poodle is an excellent fit next to Wama" comes from.

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    David Robinson was an excellent fit next to Timmy Duncan.

    Not sure where this "Poodle is an excellent fit next to Wama" comes from.
    Because he can play the interior while Wemby would man the 4 spot.

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    Because he can play the interior while Wemby would man the 4 spot.
    I was looking for a higher standard then "plays Center."

    Poodles offensive limitations are gonna be exposed when teams double and triple Wama.

    I'm not a Poodle hater. Just think he's fine against lower and some mid tier bigs.

    Gets worked vs Elite bigs.

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    I was looking for a higher standard then "plays Center."

    Poodles offensive limitations are gonna be exposed when teams double and triple Wama.

    I'm not a Poodle hater. Just think he's fine against lower and some mid tier bigs.

    Gets worked vs Elite bigs.
    Wembys going to be way out on the perimeter. Think of him as a 7’4” SF or even SG.

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    Wembys going to be way out on the perimeter. Think of him as a 7’4” SF or even SG.
    hes no traditional center

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    I know Wemba is Superman to some but are there seriously no doubts about Wemba being able to defend quick 4’s (and 3’s when they switch) full-time? Seems like something that would exhaust him on defense and smaller players with handles would probably challenge him on the dribble. Well aware there are highlights of him blocking the out of little people… but against NBA speed for a full 25-30 minutes every other night?

    the closest thing to Wemba in the NBA right now is Karl Anthony Towns. A center-sized player masquerading as a PF. Not sure if they’re doing that great defensively with that setup and I imagine Wemba is not much quicker than Towns.

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    Good video of actually showing Wemba’s lowlights. Players were blowing by him here and his feet almost looked like he was tripping over himself.

    on the 14% chance he’s drafted, hopefully he focuses on his strength for the first few years to play the NBA position he’s supposed to play.

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    I know Wemba is Superman to some but are there seriously no doubts about Wemba being able to defend quick 4’s (and 3’s when they switch) full-time? Seems like something that would exhaust him on defense and smaller players with handles would probably challenge him on the dribble. Well aware there are highlights of him blocking the out of little people… but against NBA speed for a full 25-30 minutes every other night?

    the closest thing to Wemba in the NBA right now is Karl Anthony Towns. A center-sized player masquerading as a PF. Not sure if they’re doing that great defensively with that setup and I imagine Wemba is not much quicker than Towns.
    No doubts at all really tbh...

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