Interesting that the Spurs might be interested in a Moody plus draft capital for Poeltl trade. The fact that the Spurs have no interest in Wiseman now shows just how far he has fallen. If Thompson doesn't tear an ACL prior to the draft Wiseman's career might have taken an entirely different trajectory.
In another thread, I speculated Spurs would not see Wiseman as more than salary filler and they could angle for Kuminga + Moody + lightly protected '26 for Poeltl. Sounds like that configuration may not work for them, if they're low on Kuminga too.
Thanks for this - promoted on Twitter for you.
SMH at wanting to keep Doug. Hes the most mediocre and highest paid of the guys that ARE NOT part of the future so why would he not be someone they want to move?
Things like that make me question where their heads are at. If someone is willing to give you positive draft capital for him instead of him being a negative asset? As long as you are not taking on salary (in terms of years, not dollars) why would you not move him? It’s not like hes been some amazing fit and consistent player with room to grow.
Also notable: no lakers intel. Looks like Lakers have completely pivoted to DeRozan or the Myles/Buddy stuff? You’d think Jakob, Doug and Richardson would have some appeal but if they can use those picks for DeRozan/Myles Turner instead of Jakob (since Spurs asking for 2 picks just for him) makes sense why LA would not be interested.
Very surprised at Kuminga. If you can get a first and Kuminga? Seems like a solid return even if Kuminga is a giant bust. Taking on buy lows seems to make sense, especially if you can get another pick with him. Definitely agree on Wiseman…no need to swap Jakob for him IMO. But surprised to see them so low on Kuminga if indeed true and not just a tactic.
Richardson injury sucks. He was playing well to start the year and this type of stuff may be why he doesnt get moved although I would imaging teams know his value.
From my perspective, the bull case on Kuminga + Moody + top 4-ish protected '26 is that the even odds chance the Spurs can develop one or both of Kuminga and Moody into FRP value for a future trade, if they don't keep the players. In other words, against a three year time horizon, the Spurs have a non-zero chance of getting three FRP value from Poeltl and decent odds of getting 2 FRP value for Poeltl. Neither Kuminga nor Moody would jeopardize our tank, and they could fit nicely into a rebuild if things broke correctly.
I do not think the Warriors have the stomach to flip Wiseman for McDermott, but from a value standpoint Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, and '26 FRP for Poeltl and McDermott seems about right to me. I'd favor Warriors to make the WCF after that move.
On lack of Lakers intel, if Spurs are involved in a Lakers trade, it would as third team imo. I also wonder if they'd do something like 2 or 3 Lakers controlled SRPs for Richardson or McDermott. Depending on the year, those project as valuable SRPs. I'd gladly flip McDermott for Beverly and two SRPs. What was leaked to timvp is at least partial negotiating positioning from Spurs insider(s). If they leak an FRP for McDermott, they'd consider two SRPs.
IT could be a great tank commander.
If true PATFO continue to be among the leagues worst since Timmy Dunkar and Prime Kwa left.
If they bring Hall back, they might as well retire his jersey tbh
Much better news than the last article.
The only surprise is the Warriors supposed interest in Poeltl, who'd almost certainly play a limited role and be a rental, but I guess they were hoping it was the one possibility of getting an impact player for Wiseman, who otherwise looks headed the way of Bagley III.
Kuminga looked great last year. I can’t believe the spurs would want to pass on a young player like him with his potential.
LITERALLY, the day before.
Great read.
I just saw IA getting floated around on social media, and voila Timvp reporting about it. I should’ve guessed. I rather they keep playing Malaki and Sochan at PG, get them as much burn creating offense. Soon Blake will be back. I don’t see IA just taking minutes from our youngsters. I rather push Langford, Roby, Bassey to score more.
I like Moody but I’m liking Poeltl more than him as better fit if we get Wemby. We need a C to let Wemby play 4/1 (Sochan plays 1/4).
The rest J-Rich, McBuckets whichever is best. I like JRich, but if he gets a FRP then they have to.
sounds like nothing changed. 2 lightly protected 1sts for Poetl. 1st for JRich. similar for McD.
No interest in Wiseman (not surprising). Some new info on Kuminga/moody.
Don't see Golden state sending out future 1st round picks for Poetl unless heavily protected.
Character issue I assume. Rumors are that he has an at ude and he doesn't have the drive. Who knows but agree, Spurs should take a gamble on him regardless
I think they realize this is probably the last real shot they have at a chip with their aging core. Poeltl would be a massive upgrade at C for them on both sides of the ball and would make them the favorites out west imo. He and Green would make for a very formidable defensive frontline
The only surprise is the Warriors supposed interest in Poeltl, who'd almost certainly play a limited role and be a rental, but I guess they were hoping it was the one possibility of getting an impact player for Wiseman, who otherwise looks headed the way of Bagley III.
And , it's sounding like Bagley might be too generous of a comparison. Wiseman starting to look like he doesn't belong in the league at all. What a wasted pick
Of course the Spurs are more interested in Moody. He’s shorter.
And of course the Spurs are interested in Isaiah Thomas. He’s even shorter. He’s very very short.
The Spurs are something else.
I love every word of that article. GS being interested in Jak is a no Brainerd in my opinion but, if he'll sign the extension then do it. He'll bring at least as much after the extension (probably more) and you have the luxury of seeing how the Wembanyama lottery pans out first.
Also, bring in Jared Butler... I get the Thomas thing but I'd like to kick the tires on butler..
Well, GS is apparently more interested in Moody, too.
Thanks for the insight, it all makes perfect sense.
They clearly value Poeltl highly, as they should. With or without Wemba he's a good fit on the roster and wouldn't be easily replaceable. Anything between 4/58 now and 4/70-75 in the summer is good value and a valuable asset. There's not much sense in getting a single mid to late FRP for him as they clearly seem to think they could keep him in the summer and not see him simply walk for nothing. They've surely discussed the extension option and are well aware what he's looking for , both financially and as a basketball situation. Even the 2 picks scenario, say Toronto's 23 and 25 firsts, isn't that great. An 18th and a 22nd pick (or something similar, realistically) would be unlikely to produce a player as influential as he has become.
Wiseman is terrible right now and it's no surprise they're not interested. Kuminga is supposedly a bit of a headcase and lacks the work ethic to reach his ceiling. After all they've been through lately it's understandable they wouldn't be willing to compromise with character. Or it could be just a smokescreen. Moody I've loved since last season's draft, he was my guy for the Spurs pick, but it's not like he's been good so far.
JRich I'd love it if they could get a FRP for him but it would be difficult because a lot of the contenders have traded their picks away already and there aren't that many available FRPs. Certainly less than the pool of players available who'd generally be valued this much. You'd have to convince some team that they should spend their FRP on JRich over Hield or Gordon or Crowder and so on. The market will drive the price down.
McDermott also makes perfect sense - his contract is alright, it's not an albatross and he's the perfect player who could help young guys develop - doesn't need the ball, spreads the floor, good locker room presence. Keldon/Vassell/Sochan/Wesley/Branham can have the ball in their hands and take advantage of the created space to operate. Sure, he doesn't really affect winning overall, but we all understand this isn't the most important thing right now.
I wonder if there's any talk of absorbing bad contracts for value. Such deals would probably come right at the trade deadline but Spurs and Pacers could help some team reduce their tax bill or get rid of an unwanted contract for a pick - Fournier, Shamet, Graham, ... there are possibilities.
I'd also like to see them try to take a flyer on some guys on rookie contracts (that they might have liked during the draft evaluations), who have been in bad situations and might need a change of scenery - the likes of Okoro, Okeke, White, Thybulle, etc. Even if it costs them a future 2nd or two - they have 4 additional SRPs on top of their own.
Thank you
Sounds like Wiseman is just viewed as filler.
Nobody is giving us two firsts for poodle. Wonder how fat spurs are willing to bend
The picks they want for Poeltl were described as “lightly protected”. To me that says something like Chicago’s, 1-11 and eventually 1-9. Anything in the 20s is a no go, even at multiple picks.
They aren’t shopping him, but they are listening. The price is two lightly protected FRPs. It was clear in the article that they won’t dump him for whatever the offer is at the deadline if it’s short of their ask. They’ll explore an extension or a new contract this summer. He seems interested in staying.
1. Ah the days of forum weeping over the fake LMA for Wiseman trade. Good times.
2. Kuminga apparently is an en led asshole, even though he always crushes the Spurs. He's taken a huuuge step back this year, which isn't promising for his ability to learn the game.
3. He's still a better player than Moody, in my mind. Moody wasn't even a great shooter at Arkansas and he's not that good now. At anything. (Boy did GSW luck out that the whole league sucked last year.)
4. Poeltl would make the Warriors the best team in the West, or close. They're already looking much better and giving them a good defensive center shores up one of their biggest problems. Plus he's good at screening and rolling, is very good at picking out shooters.
5. I don't get why Boston isn't interested. They look good now, but still have the same problems as last year.
6. Whatever about Richardson. No one's giving a 1st for him.
7. The Isaiah Thomas thing is the most interesting item. Vassel and Keldon are clearly not number 1 options. All Keldon can do is shoot from deep or sometimes drive and that's it. Trying to shoulder the offense is killing him at this point, what made me worry at the beginning of the year. Possibly ruining him as a player. Vassel can at least get his own shot. Sort of. A player like IT can do what Dominique Wilkins did in 96-97, just put up shots and, in this case, not crush the little ones.
8. Slightly surprised by Toronto. They're utterly mediocre at this point and need something.
9. At this point, I continue to be more interested in keeping Poeltl than scraping up a guy like Moody or a bad pick. It's hard to get good centers.
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