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Lol RJ24 constant whining
He is going to be a solid NBA player barring injuries for a long time. Dude just needs to keep being aggressive on offense and letting it fly from 3
Lol RJ24 constant whining
Happy to see Jones continue to do well. He’s a bargain. His shot continues to improve. Never understood the hand wringing about him.
Trigger warning: Wesley has a higher ceiling but Jones gets to the rim almost as much and has way better touch and shot. Jones has a much better chance for having a long career.
What are we thinking Tre Jones value will be this off-season?
I think he’s getting near MLE. 4 yrs 40mm. We matching that? He is an RFA remember.
That would be a steal if he goes with that. His brother Tyrus is making almost 15mil per year in two years. I think Tre would be better than him.
it's ST. some posters here 'hand wring' just to 'hand wring'.
They'll probably give him equivalent to MLE money for 3 years to be the bastion of their precious "culture", with the understanding that he'll revert to a backup role when they draft a projected starter.
But despite his impressive +5.9 swing rating (more so a commentary of roster construction than his caliber), he's still a low volume (22.6%) and percentage (31.6%) 3-point shooter and a poor shooter in general (52.5% true shooting with league average around 57%), in addition to being a limited play maker and a physical liability defensively.
definitely a solid backup
RAPTOR still has Jones as an amazing defender for his position. I think he often fails to look the part by the "eye test", but last night was a showcase for him on that end. I don't think he's a liability in a more dynamic defensive scheme the way he would've been in the more iso-heavy era of last decade where teams looked to exploit mismatches. I have hopes the Spurs find a better starter, but I also don't think he's holding the team back right now.
The whole game boils down to mismatches, especially in the playoffs, when virtually every small guard and big (and DeRozan) is repeatedly targeted in the p-n-r.
No matter how good someone of his stature is defensively, they obviously can't guard big guard/wing ball handlers out in space, nor back to the basket bigs in the post on the back half of the switch.
Yeah, sure, last decade that was true. This decade, teams aren't going to break their offensive flow to go at a guy who's actually having a strong defensive year just because he's short. If someone is just bad at guarding the PnR or gets wasted by every screen. That's one thing. But Jones is the best iso defender on the team besides Poeltl. His DFG% is the best of the starters. It simply doesn't make sense to change your offense to attack Jones when Keldon and Vassell are both abysmal defenders, and McDermott is even worse. Tre is basically the last player on the entire team that deserves to be labeled a defensive liability.
Jones isn't a big guy, but he's not any smaller than most PGs. It's smart basketball to go after a size advantage if one falls into your lap, but nowadays, it's much harder to have a long iso possession to get into a good position because defenses are less stagnant. So a big wing might get on Jones but then be forced to pass once a double comes or has to worry about guys slipping in to dig or come over the top for a block. Jones himself showed plenty of value as a help defender last night doing similar things. The time where you could just get a Durant switch on Mills went out with the 2010s. Now, by the time Durant is getting the pass, a modern defense would already have someone running up behind to knock that ball out. It wouldn't always work, but it does mean that trying to do that over and over is going to grind an offense to a halt.No matter how good someone of his stature is defensively, they obviously can't guard big guard/wing ball handlers out in space, nor back to the basket bigs in the post on the back half of the switch.
Last edited by Chinook; 12-27-2022 at 07:39 PM.
Says the guy who's admitted to not watching teams not named Spurs. Maybe so, but it still happens. Small guards in prominent roles only make sense in this era if they're offensive superstars or stars.
He clearly is. Being forced to double on the catch turns even sub par play makers into good ones when the reads are that easy. Are you referring to trying to scram (switch before a defender is dragged into a p-n-r?) If so, that's not always so easy and can spring other leaks.
Kudos to Tre. Didn't think he'd be ready to run a team yet, but he's proven me wrong.
He's literally one of the best performing guards from his draft class. Better than half of the first round taken before him. He was a steal then, and still is now. Said on draft night It'd be great for the spurs to have him be an occasional starter and career backup like patty mills was with his time with the spurs. However he may be playing his way off the team. The draft position will likely play a role in their valuation. Three very talented PGs in the top 10 this year. Two possible franchise players out of the gate.
Resign him now before he gets paaaiddd
Absolutely. He goes top 12 if you redraft 2020 IMO. No brainer to sign him longer term this summer. He’s not the solution long term but he’ll be a value contract for many years.
Last edited by CGD; 01-11-2023 at 11:54 PM.
hes very good. Like others have said at his draft position a freaking steak
Makes the Primo situation go down easier knowing the spurs probably drafted the 6th and 12th best players in the 2020 draft.
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