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    3. You points 2 and 3 contradict each other.
    Once again, you show your buffonesque lack of understanding of the game. While also having the galls to diminish others' opinions and call yourself a "realist"... Idiocracy was a do entary on American culture, straight up, and it just premiered 15 years too early.

    BG's points were perfectly coherent. A player can absolutely provide positive spacing for developing players, helping the paint to be uncluttered by dragging defenders away, so youngings can practice paint drives and moves, or also bail them out of bad possessions by giving them a pass option, while also sucking enough on defense to have his overall impact on winning be negative. You, of all people, should know this by now, since you're obsessed with 2 poster-boys for this quality: Forbes and Mills.

    Already posted the stats in 5 wins Dougie most certainly contributed to.
    You posted counting stats and not even complete shooting splits at that

    Now do advanced stats for Dougie, if you can even comprehend them. Try not to fall ass-backwards into contradicting this narrative of yours in the process, though! Lest you show more of the clown behind the screen. I hear the makeup holds well...

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    It feels like there should be some interest from teams that need shooting, such as Denver, but Eric Gordon's also out there.
    It's feeling like EG will get himself one last chance this deadline. He's hollering his desire to get out of H-town, and no doubt teams have listened. He's the more known quan y and will likely be gone before Dougie, even though I'd be quite skeptical of his ability to get it done through multiple playoff series.

    I'd say Dougie's the better asset/player, but defense is half the game, sadly, and more so in the playoffs.

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    You sure showed me.

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    You sure showed me.
    didn't you post this thread in the manner of question? now you're ing that you got answered?

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    didn't you post this thread in the manner of question? now you're ing that you got answered?

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    It's feeling like EG will get himself one last chance this deadline. He's hollering his desire to get out of H-town, and no doubt teams have listened. He's the more known quan y and will likely be gone before Dougie, even though I'd be quite skeptical of his ability to get it done through multiple playoff series.

    I'd say Dougie's the better asset/player, but defense is half the game, sadly, and more so in the playoffs.
    Gordons defense has been just as bad though lol….but I’m guessing teams will think they can save him and his effort will come back when he’s not in

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    Gordons defense has been just as bad though lol….but I’m guessing teams will think they can save him and his effort will come back when he’s not in
    Yeah, he's been looking simply washed this season. But there's many teams willing to risk trading for him in hopes of getting "Old EG" for at least a playoff series or two, who's admittedly the much better player over McBuckets. I'm skeptical of it happening, and glad the Spurs aren't on the mix for it, or any other thing coming out of H-Town for that matter...

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    Yeah, he's been looking simply washed this season. But there's many teams willing to risk trading for him in hopes of getting "Old EG" for at least a playoff series or two, who's admittedly the much better player over McBuckets. I'm skeptical of it happening, and glad the Spurs aren't on the mix for it, or any other thing coming out of H-Town for that matter...
    A lot of people are high on HOU youth…I see the “talent” but I am not as hopeful they will be winners as some others.

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    A lot of people are high on HOU youth…I see the “talent” but I am not as hopeful they will be winners as some others.
    Problem is most of them are chuckle s. You may get Greene and KPJ and Eason and their host of other idiots to play winning team basketball, but I doubt it. They're going to win possessions and games here or there, sometimes spectacularly, but not a lot of them. No wonder Eric Gordon has checked out.

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    Might be interested in Ty Ty, Sengun or Jabari Smith Jr. if any of them fall out of favor and become available as reclamation projects. I am not interested in the Diva wannabes that Mr. Body mentions in the prior post.

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    I think the plan is simple...let him score 17 and give up 33. Team tank.

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    Might be interested in Ty Ty, Sengun or Jabari Smith Jr. if any of them fall out of favor and become available as reclamation projects. I am not interested in the Diva wannabes that Mr. Body mentions in the prior post.
    Yeah, those seem to be good ones. I think Smith was always a high-level role player, and so a very expensive one. TyTy hasn't gotten off the bench much, so may not be ready? Hard to know since their coach is pretty terrible.

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    Problem is most of them are chuckle s. You may get Greene and KPJ and Eason and their host of other idiots to play winning team basketball, but I doubt it. They're going to win possessions and games here or there, sometimes spectacularly, but not a lot of them. No wonder Eric Gordon has checked out.
    I can’t believe they ing paid KPJ. He’s the modern day JR Smith, total dumbass, and thinks he’s several levels better than he actually is.

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    I can’t believe they ing paid KPJ. He’s the modern day JR Smith, total dumbass, and thinks he’s several levels better than he actually is.
    Have you seen how it is structured? Annual team options.

    He is easily more talented than anyone on our team so if motivated that contract might look like a steal with little downside.

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    Have you seen how it is structured? Annual team options.

    He is easily more talented than anyone on our team so if motivated that contract might look like a steal with little downside.
    I mean, one, he's never going to be motivated in the right way. Two, he's not as talented as you think. Three, it's not about his contract so much as actually putting him on the floor, which is stupid.

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    Every team needs veteran tank commanders. You can't just have a bunch of kids running around playing non-stop chucker ball, that's how you end up being the Rockets.

    In 86-87, we had Dave Greenwood, Artis Gilmore and a few others aside the "promising youth" of Alvin Robertson, Walter Berry and Johnny Dawkins.

    in 96-97, we had Nique Wilkins and Vinny Del Negro leading the charge in the sneaky tank.

    Even in 88-89, we still had vets like Frank Brickowski and Dave Greenwood contributing serious minutes while building up the young core in anticipation of The Admiral and whoever we would pick in the next draft (Sean Elliott). TBH, the that "young core" or Alvin Robertson, Willie Anderson, Johnny Dawkins, Cadillac Anderson and Vernon Maxwell is kind of similar to what we have now... we just don't have a David Robinson waiting in the wings to go along with another high draft pick.

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    didn't you post this thread in the manner of question? now you're ing that you got answered?
    Saccharine didn't answer . Babbled a bunch of straw and gave no constructive answers all while avoiding the OP question.

    So what are the plans for Dougie? "Provide spacing til time indefinite" is all you got?

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    I believe he will not be in a Spurs uni past the day his contract ends, or, they get an offer of a positive asset for him, whichever comes first.
    The problem is his contract runs thru 23-24.
    If now or in the end no one is going to offer anything for him, what is the point of keeping him.
    Below is an idea to shed 23-24's McForbesbotts salary:

    I say we trade him to the lakers for Patrick Beverly (about even salaries) and then we flip Beverly to a team that needs a pg worse than us, possibly for a player(s) or a player and a pick. Chicago comes to mind. Their pg's always get injured.

    If we can't flip him (although I think we could), he's better than what we currently have and he's an expiring contract on top of that. I would not cut him just to release him. That's just a waste of salary. McNuggets isn't worth a first so lets see what we can really get for him since he's not exactly valued in this town.

    I know easier said than done but it's something to think about.
    Yeah Beverly is crazy for co co puffs, but my trade would ideally flip him for someone else , but the worse case is that we lose one year of paying McNuggets and we cut Beverly. Saves us 13 million in salary next year. Not too bad for a player that's not appreciated here. You might get a 2nd straight up for McNuggets but that's not really that much.

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    I think the plan is simple...let him score 17 and give up 33. Team tank.
    Seems like a number of players on the Spurs bench could and are doing the same thing.
    But Dougie gets all fired up with a gleam in his eye when playing other bottom tier teams and.or 4th qtr close games that are very losable.

    Well let's see what the trade deadline brings.

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    Might be interested in Ty Ty, Sengun or Jabari Smith Jr. if any of them fall out of favor and become available as reclamation projects. I am not interested in the Diva wannabes that Mr. Body mentions in the prior post.
    I'd say no one would be so stupid as to trade away Sengun, but the Rockets, as currently managed, might just be.

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    The problem is his contract runs thru 23-24.
    If now or in the end no one is going to offer anything for him, what is the point of keeping him.
    Below is an idea to shed 23-24's McForbesbotts salary:
    So? That only one more season. You act like it’s Duncan Robinson’s awful deal, and not just another expendable $14M.

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    I'd say no one would be so stupid as to trade away Sengun, but the Rockets, as currently managed, might just be.
    No comment. Just wow, mr “i scored 33points“ is in the never trade camp.

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    So? That only one more season. You act like it’s Duncan Robinson’s awful deal, and not just another expendable $14M.
    Was or was there not a rebuild in earnest started this past summer?
    Why continue to waste a spot taking up 14 million for yet another year and a half?

    I agree with the poster below regarding McDermott:

    He’s not trash, but he has no business in a rebuild. He’d be a good bench piece on a contender.

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    No comment. Just wow, mr “i scored 33points“ is in the never trade camp.
    He's already shaking out to be one of the best picks in that draft class and was as I recall only the 2nd youngest behind Flash Daddy. It'd be stupid to trade him at this point until or unless you can get commensurate value for him.

    What would you trade him for? Peanuts it sounds like.

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    He's already shaking out to be one of the best picks in that draft class and was as I recall only the 2nd youngest behind Flash Daddy. It'd be stupid to trade him at this point until or unless you can get commensurate value for him.

    What would you trade him for? Peanuts it sounds like.
    He’s had a few nice statistical games but he’s not made them better in any way.

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