Can the Spurs just re-sign Gorgui now?
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The Boston Celtics are trading C/F Noah Vonleh and cash consideration to the San Antonio Spurs, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium. The Spurs will waive Gorgui Dieng to create roster space, sources said.
business move more than a basketball move
but it shows the front office is working
Spurs are below the 111M tax floor anyways…so they were going to have to spend 14M in salaries above what they already have regardless. This allows them to recoup some of that money and open a roster spot no problem at all. So it’s smart even if not a basketball move per se.
Prob some 2nd round pick that never conveys or like you said some meaningless draft rights.
theres no dire need to reach the cap floor. if we dont, the players on our roster just get some extra money at the end of the year. all this accomplished is using up a small amount of cap space that we theoretically could have made use of in exchange for lining ownership's pockets
No - there is no dire need but you are spending the money whether its to our guys or Vonleh. But at least in the Vonleh case SA gets 1-2M back that the otherwise would not have. So they spent the same they would have either way but got 1-2M back I’m guessing.
But ya, only difference in cap floor and this path is SA has 1M less (that is how much Vonleh is owed more or less rest of season) in cap space to absorb other deals in other trades.
"SA" doesnt get the money. just the owners
You know that is what I meant lol
The Spurs don't save money against the floor. The floor is based ln cash paid, not the salary slotted. The Spurs didn't pay Vonleh anything and thus didn't change their floor math.
There was a time I really wanted SA to get Noah. Funny how things work out.
Wait…why would they not pay Vonleh? They traded for him with a guaranteed salary and waived him. Would they not in theory owe him that 1M salary he has remaining thus rendering it cash paid?
sure, but when you say "SA gets 1-2 back that they otherwise would not have" it kinda implies its for the benefit of the team
I can see that - when I say SA I typically am referring to ownership vs “team” or “basketball” but definitely helps to be more clear
The “good” news is this shows SA is somewhat active. Yeah, it’s an ownership/cash move and not a basketball move but it shows they are having these conversations. I am guessing they are busier than ever here.
FO has made more moves last 2 years than nearly all previous 15 combined and I am expecting a busier than normal deadline for SA. Whether that is trading guys like Richardson/Jak or using their cap scape to absorb deals for picks.
If anything, this sends a message to teams looking to shed salary that SA is down to help…
Side note: SA and BOS seem really cozy lately…
Already been shared here but here’s the math on BOS side again:
Possibly looks like a move to trade one or two of our players for two or more other players. Its like the spurs have a shiny new quarter in their pocket but don't quite know what to spend it on. With the spurs it could also mean nothing but a financial move. Only Pop and Brian Wright know for sure.
What is interesting is seeing some say Vonleh deal doesn’t become guaranteed until 1/7. If so, why would BOS need to trade to save the money vs just waive him? Guessing it’s because if they were going to pay, they would rather have the trade exception via trading him than just waiving him?
Seems odd…hopefully SA didn’t do this for free lol
Vonleh nearly joined fellow disappointing one-year-and-drafted Indiana Hoosier Romeo Langford on the roster. Fortunately Langford has been moderately better in his career.
Interesting to see where Dieng lands…someone will pick him up.
Probably because he’s such a good dude, but man, he has been pretty bad. Doesn’t seem like an NBA player any more IMO
It’s a good question. My only thought was that there was some guaranteed money on the deal?
My sense is that spurs always wanted to keep an open slot but that Stanley over-performed expectations. Meanwhile Dieng has trended the other way.
I am obviously missing something but the reasons for the math and trading vs them just waiving aren’t clear to me. It’s obvious there is a reason I am just missing the math/rule that is triggering this.
Edit: I am a dummy. Think it’s just as simple as: even though BOS already paid Vonleh what he was owed, when you trade him for tax purposes all of that salary is removed.
So if they waived him, that 1M they paid him + taxes would be due, but by trading him, that 1M is gone since they paid, but the salary is all removed for tax purposes. Then on SA side, since Vonleh is not guaranteed until 1/7, they waive him, pay him nothing and prob get some cash for their efforts in how much they save BOS
Last edited by DPG21920; 01-05-2023 at 03:48 PM.
^ A couple more notes from aggregators:
- The Celtics will generate a small $1.16MM traded player exception (could be the motivaron for trade v waive)
- spurs apparently have to send something out like a heavily protected SRP. Maybe they can send that useless Indy second from the Dougie deal.
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