Article: Initial Thoughts on Jakob Poeltl Trade

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/thoughts-i...oeltl-raptors/

[Ariel]

Was this a good trade for the Spurs? Before we can answer that, more details of this trade need to be made public. What kind of protections are on the 2024 first round pick? Did the Spurs receive the Raptors 2023 second round pick that would currently be the 39th pick of the draft?

Basically this. So far it's impossible to say anything. May be a good trade if the pick's protection are moderately light (say 8-8-4), or disastrous if it's lottery protected and quickly turns into 2nds.
The 2nd rounder can't be '24 (belongs to Memphis), ideally it'd be '23 and '25. Nonetheless, 2nd rounders (except very good ones, say in the 31-35 range) are almost worthless, so unless it's the '23 2nd it seems more like a throw in where they pretend to cave in without really doing so, so that the Spurs can save face.
If there was a deal on the table with Boston for Pritchard, Gallo and Boston's upgrade to '28 unprotected, depending on the protections of Toronto's '24 it may have been preferable. Sure, it's the worse of the 2 '28 picks we'd be getting, but it'd be unprotected, meaning if both teams such by then (no guarantees ever) you'd still be getting a good pick, whereas a highly protected '24 pick puts a definite cap on its ceiling. Let's wait and see, but I really hope they learned the lesson from the Charlotte pick. Also, Pritchard is actually a young (25) backup PG who shoots well from 3, we could have made room for and flipped later, unlike Birch who's trash.
I'll hold judgement until we know the details, could fall either way.

[Rummpd]

Just a bad FO doing a bad trade or move (or often non-move) is more likely than not. On the other hand at least this year they did something.

[JPB]

Just a bad FO doing a bad trade or move (or often non-move) is more likely than not. On the other hand at least this year they did something.

If that's the only real offer you could get and Poeltl wans't renewing, then at least you get something... Fans or Spurstalk don't dictate the market, the demand for Jak wasn't very high and Spurs were never getting 2 FRPs for Poeltl.

(some) people are disappointed because their expectations were unrealistic. Only stars eventually get you good return, not role players.

[Mr. Body]

I like that they combined getting return with delivering him to the place he wanted. That means something.

[KingKev]

I hope the protections will be something along the lines of 10, 8, 8, 2SRPs but that may be wishful thinking. The Raps and Spurs have alot of goodwill and respect for each-other but realistically nobody was giving much for the opportunity to pay Jak 70-80m over 4 years.

Also, Khem Birch is fking trash and required two SRPs to take on that deal. He won’t be a buyout candidate but could be a useful contract in subsequent deals.

[John B]

The Spurs always do good for their players, and that’s always their weakness tbh.

[John B]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief

[KingKev]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief

Dieng isn’t on the team.

[Mr. Body]

And Dedmon isn't coming back.

[Ariel]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief

Dieng was waived when the Vonleh trade happened, and was then brought back on a 10 day contract. Dedmon will either be flipped today, or waived. I don't know about Birch, but since he's guaranteed next season, they may keep him and flip him as an expiring afterwards.

[JeffDuncan]

So now we have as back C’s, Dieng, Dedmon and Birch. Good grief

For this season, Tre Jones is fine as the backup center.

There’s the summer to sort it out, after we know the draft results.

[poopbox]

We were never getting 2 1st for Poeltl, he isn't good enough for that.

All we were every getting for him was a protected 1st. Anything more than that is gravy.

Him not being here is also great, because he sucks, was going to command a high salary, and we are tanking. We don't need to be in the business of resigning a center for above market value for his skillset why we actively try to lose games.

Hopefully next year we do the same thing with Keldon. No point in paying a streaky 3 point shooter 20 mil a year when you trying to lose.

[The Truth #6]

Probably lucky we got anything for him considering he’s going to be a free agent in about 25 games.

[RC_Drunkford]

if we got the Raptors 2023 2nd round pick, is there a chance we might be able to flip that one and/or our 2nd rounder into a late first rounder by moving J-Rich?

[Dex]

I'll reserve judgement until we get full details, but at a glance the return seems a bit underwhelming.

On one hand, Jak was going to become a free-agent this summer and I don't know if it made a lot of sense to pour more money into him. I like him as a player, but don't really see him as a centerpiece for the Spurs returning to a contending status. In that sense, it's better to get something than nothing.

On the other, it's still hard for me to take off my "Kawhi trade" glasses...where we have now basically traded Kawhi for a stack of picks which became what...Johnson, Branham, Wesley, and whatever we get in this trade?

Obviously a lot still has to shake out and it's good to see the Spurs stockpiling picks while also shooting for a top draft pick.

[Ariel]

Probably lucky we got anything for him considering he’s going to be a free agent in about 25 games.

Nah, he'd still land us a first via a S&T. But it's the bird in hand kind of thing... why risk it?

[SpurSpike]

Seems you are semi ok with this trade simply because of the horrid trades that almost happened, lol.

[Mr. Body]

I'll reserve judgement until we get full details, but at a glance the return seems a bit underwhelming.

On one hand, Jak was going to become a free-agent this summer and I don't know if it made a lot of sense to pour more money into him. I like him as a player, but don't really see him as a centerpiece for the Spurs returning to a contending status. In that sense, it's better to get something than nothing.

On the other, it's still hard for me to take off my "Kawhi trade" glasses...where we have now basically traded Kawhi for a stack of picks which became what...Johnson, Branham, Wesley, and whatever we get in this trade?

Obviously a lot still has to shake out and it's good to see the Spurs stockpiling picks while also shooting for a top draft pick.

I mean, Kawhi totally ed the franchise by killing his own trade value. We should probably let that be in the rearview.

The Spurs did get some years of DeRozan, which shouldn't be discounted (cue the usual wags about not tanking), and Keldon will probably be moved fairly soon.

There's also intangible value in moving Poeltl to a preferred destination. And maintaining good relations with a franchise. Those things actually do matter, even if the keyboard kommandos here don't want to believe it.

[Ariel]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...ors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

[KingKev]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...ors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

Pretty solid!!!

Raps have chosen a direction. GTJ, FVV and OG are probably the best assets left on the market.

[Mr. Body]

That's better than I expected.

[Texas_Ranger]

fair deal, Spurs got for a player... Thank god we finally got rid of all these losers (Murray, White, Walker, Primo, Poeltl). Future should be bright, if the Spurs FO decides not being one of the worst in the nba.

[timvp]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...ors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

Nice

[Ariel]

May be a good trade if the pick's protection are moderately light (say 8-8-4)

The 2nd rounder can't be '24 (belongs to Memphis), ideally it'd be '23 and '25.

This was pretty close to the best possible scenario I envisioned.