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What else did you want?
Obviously we still have to see the protections
I see now, thx
What else did you want?
Obviously we still have to see the protections
The one thing that kind of disappoints me, is that we weren't able to add Koloko to the mix. He's better value than the 2nd rounders, and I'd think with Poeltl on board, he should become expendable in Toronto.
Hard to believe there wasn't at least 1 team that would give us an unprotected 1st round pick for a starting caliber center.
The terms around the protected pick is the key...I get why teams do it, but typically on the end of the pick recipient it means "if the pick is good we can't have it; but its ours when its crap".
There was very little point in signing Jakob after this season. As long as it’s a likely to convey FRP, I don’t see how anyone could have an issue with this deal. It’s something for nothing, and it’s not like we k or of another offer that’s a slam dunk.
But all of these teams were terrible defensively so he didn't really anchor anything.
That is the problem with Poeltl. There is this thought that he is somehow a good defender who does something for your team. He's not. If you already have good defenders he won't it up, but if you have bad defenders he is not good enough to fix it.
Which is why he was never getting 2 1st round picks. Cause nobody is paying that for a player that doesn't actually fix your defense.
It's all nice and cute he got all these good solo advanced defensive metrics. The end result of that for us was awful defense and giving up tons of points, so why would we care?
None of UTA guy are very good. They are all average to below average and so easily replaced and they cleared Conleys deal off their books entirely. So they got paid at worst a 2nd to clear 15M off their books and at best? Get pick 5 for guys that are all MLE type players and all easy to obtain.
It’s why I built the trade I did for SA with Josh/Doug/COllins/Tre for that same 1 first. I had the value pretty well pegged I would say for this market. Jak deal is still a bit disappointing- it was clear in off season these guys should be moved and that holding on to them would do nothing but nuke value and it appears that happened some. To what degree? tough to tell but no way anyone can argue holding them helped.
But Spurs taking on a bad deal in Khem makes no sense unless they got paid to do it. Just have to see. Because in a bubble, would you have taken on Khems deal in isolation for 2 2nd? Maybe thats fair given SA cap situation. But then that makes it 1 FRP for Jak and the protections matter huge.
B-but Poeltl is a top 10 center
This is the good right here - "i don't think he's good but i think we should have gotten more for him" lmao jesus christ
If he still had more years on his deal maybe, but that was never likely in my view.
Would people feel better if the Spurs demanded they wanted only one first pick for Poetl? He is on an expiring deal and a strong role player. That’s all Poetl is and because we didn’t fleece Toronto doesn’t mean we got fleeced.
Would've rather kept him and tried our luck with S&T in the summer than this garbage deal.
Had to get at least one decent prospect back if the pick is protected.
That's not it. He's definitely an above average center, but he's expiring and getting exposed because of how bad the team is. And probably unmotivated. But this same Poeltl on a team that makes him look better and a good long term contract, that'd be a different story. Context makes a HUGE difference.B-but Poeltl is a top 10 center
Ya - at end of the day paying Jak was the worst thing. This team isnt winning any time soon and he’s good on a winner. His value was down because we have no lead guard and is that changing soon? He gets way more expensive at the same time so it just didnt make sense. I am glad their heads in the FO are in the right spot; just disappointed at the moment in the initial return especially if it’s a fully lotto protected pick.
But I like the direction and hope Richardson and Doug (or at least one) are moved too. Keep it going. This is an arms race and every asset counts.
Hear hear. People are stupid, what's new?
Poeltl with a good perimeter defense is a very good team defender. That's not what this team has, like, at all.
I am very happy Spurs FO have decided to trade and pick direction. It was a sore spot and sorely lacking for years. They still hold onto guys for too long IMO and haven’t figured out how to maximize value yet.
It was obvious Josh and any other guy that was a real trade candidate should have been strongly considered to move last season or this off season before their values lessened.
Read the original post. Someone said the Spurs DID right by him, and I was refuting that.
You cant develop that many players at one time. Players come into the league so raw, that you have to teach the, everything,rocker step, triple threat position,etc.
I actually thought it would Thad Young and a top 10 protected was out there. Young would have bought out. So at least we might get a second for birch next season. Probably not. And this two seconds gives more flexibility in the future. But it comes down to the protection. And it's year. Top 10 protected for next years draft would be good value.
Guess we will see how good this trade is when
a. We find out the protections
b. What kind of contract Poeltl ends up getting once he hits free agency. Poeltl strikes me as the type of player that would sign a team friendly contract...
This is an important point. I doubt Poeltl gives up a cent because this is his big opportunity to make money and his next contract will take him through his prime years.
One thing we can be certain about it that after having contract extension talks with him the Spurs FO know exactly what he's looking for and this knowledge might have had its role in the reasons for the trade.
Lol I was just about to write something similar
John B you are true die hard fan through thick and thin and I respect that.
1-6 until 2026 the good draft. Yeah good trade. +This year's second.
Agree 100% - this combined with their situation makes getting a pick where more palatable than paying a guy so much money that wont help you have better than the worst defense in the league or win games any time soon. Spurs need to keep cap clear from limited upside guys who are older part of core.
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