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    Read all the time but post infrequently…

    so if I have this right in the end we got the following for Kawhi:

    Not including some good memories of Demar / Poeltl


    Keldon Johnson
    Branham
    Raptors 24 1st
    Bulls 25 1st
    Future second from the Griz (I think we got a second round pick in 22 from one of the dang trades we made)
    Two unprotected second round picks from Raptors

    Am I missing anything?
    Good idea - was saying earlier moving Poeltl means we have to update the trade cascade for Kawhi

    I think Bran came from Thad's trade however

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    Good idea - was saying earlier moving Poeltl means we have to update the trade cascade for Kawhi

    I think Bran came from Thad's trade however
    The Thad trade came from the DDR trade.

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    TOR:

    Kawhi Leonard
    Danny Green

    SA:

    2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

    Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

    pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.
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    Good call mr body

    just researched the cascade and forgot about Bran via Thad being part of all these twists and turns originating out of Leonards trade

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    added the 2024 2RP deal for K. Chandler to the cascade record

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    Read all the time but post infrequently…

    so if I have this right in the end we got the following for Kawhi:

    Not including some good memories of Demar / Poeltl


    Keldon Johnson
    Branham
    Raptors 24 1st
    Bulls 25 1st
    Future second from the Griz (I think we got a second round pick in 22 from one of the dang trades we made)
    Two unprotected second round picks from Raptors

    Am I missing anything?
    You can go back even father and say all of that came from George Hill (a late 1st Round pick 15 years ago).

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    For the record, I think the whole "Number Two cascade list" is just post hoc rationalization for taking a mediocre deal a few years ago. Every deal since then should be evaluated on its own.

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    Leonard trade cascade is more about subtle admiration of the front office for best rolling out of a poor leveraged lose-lose situation so it's inherently going to be some rose-tinted glasses for sure lol

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    Not a bad haul. Definitely better then nothing

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    Good idea - was saying earlier moving Poeltl means we have to update the trade cascade for Kawhi

    I think Bran came from Thad's trade however
    Thad came from the Derozan trade, which makes it from the Kawhi trade.

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    Thanks ex - updated on my trade cascade list a few posts above

    Leonard brought a river for better or worse. Was tough to remember all the tributaries lol

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    Poeltl for Khem straight up pushes them over the tax, which violates the 125%+100k rule, so they'll need to make more moves, which they probably will - Trent, OG, etc. Or send Banton/Flynn/Koloko/Juancho to the Spurs.
    Koloko has positive value, likely late first kind. So he's not going to be a throw in for salary purposes. Flynn / Hernangomez sounds more like it.

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    You can go back even father and say all of that came from George Hill (a late 1st Round pick 15 years ago).
    Yup. That one pick yielded almost as many WSs as Manu’s career, and we still have rookie Malaki, 2 remaining FRPs, plus whatever Keldon could bring in a potential trade.

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    You can go back even father and say all of that came from George Hill (a late 1st Round pick 15 years ago).
    Always knew Kirby was your son.

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    TOR:

    Kawhi Leonard
    Danny Green

    SA:

    2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

    Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

    pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.
    Thank you GEORGE HILL

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    that raptors pick is only top 6 protected from 2024-2026

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    TOR:

    Kawhi Leonard
    Danny Green

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    2019 FRP (Keldon Johnson) + Demar Derozan > 2025 CHI FRP (1-10 protect) + 2022 CHI 2RP (K. Chandler > 2024 LAL 2RP via MEM) + 2025 CHI 2RP + Aminu (waived) + Thad Young > Dragic (waived) + 2022 TOR FRP (Branham)

    Jacob Poeltl > Khem Birch + 2024 FRP (1-6 protect) + 2023 2RP + 2025 2RP

    pretty sweet hustle from Leonard. Please fact check for me.
    Not until they land a player close in value to Leonard. Quan y does not equal Quality.
    Leonard brought a le to Toronto so that was a great trade for them.

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    Thank you GEORGE HILL

    oooey pooey

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    Not until they land a player close in value to Leonard. Quan y does not equal Quality.
    Leonard brought a le to Toronto so that was a great trade for them.
    Agreed actually. All that trade cascade is just a silver lining to the black cloud of the Leonard situation

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    The Spurs could potentially have 7 First Round Picks in the next three drafts and 2025 could be insane if things go our way.

    2023 - Spurs
    2024 - Spurs and Raptors
    2025 - Spurs, Hawks, Bulls, Hornets

    I know the Hornets' pick might never convey, but I think they have to start winning by 2024-25 if they want to keep Ball.

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    The Spurs could potentially have 7 First Round Picks in the next three drafts and 2025 could be insane if things go our way.

    2023 - Spurs
    2024 - Spurs and Raptors
    2025 - Spurs, Hawks, Bulls, Hornets

    I know the Hornets' pick might never convey, but I think they have to start winning by 2024-25 if they want to keep Ball.
    Yup. CHA can’t tank three years in a row if they hope to keep LaMelo.

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    Charlotte needs to actually take a player who can contribute this draft. Watch them take a Thompson twin.

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    Charlotte needs to actually take a player who can contribute this draft. Watch them take a Thompson twin.
    Amen.

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    Deal quite underwhelming at first but it does make sense now esp. if only the Raptors is the only team willing to give more than one (1) pick - I know the FRP is protected and the remaining picks are only SRP but can't force any team to give more what the Spurs wanted so they took what they think is the best package esp. Jakob and his camp are vocal that they will test the market and there's a chance he won't re-sign with the Spurs so better than nothing.
    Props to the Spurs as well asking and granting Jakob's preferred destination tho to be fair, it's not like Jakob has been a hardcase for the Spurs when he's with the team so all good from both ends.

    P.S. - I believe Jakob is very close to Pascal so maybe there's a big chance that he'll sign with the Raptors come off-season.

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    Ausar what you did there.

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