I just dont like guys that are on deals they are clearly not worth even if its not a big deal lol - pretty straightforward
Doug: Not worth his deal. If he was, he would have been valued by other teams.
Graham: Not worth his deal. If he was he wouldn’t have been buried and moved to SA with comp to take his bad deal on
Khem: Sure as not worth 7M
Ya - could these guys rehab value and maybe be used as ballast? Absolutely. But that sort of has to happen to make it ok and I dont like being in that position even if Khem/Doug/Graham are all functionally off the books after next season
Its inarguable that our front office the bed quite frankly. If for no other reason than letting it be known very openly and publicly that they wanted far more for these guys than they actually got back.
Aside from the Thad Young/Demar deal, if it shakes out, we've taken the L on trade after trade going back to neph.
Here is something upon the subject he said early in the season:
"According to a source, the Los Angeles Lakers have targeted Richardson and McDermott in a trade that would involve Russell Westbrook. However, talks haven’t gained traction because the Lakers are only willing to relinquish a pair of second round picks in return for both players."
https://www.spurstalk.com/latest-spu...imo-bombs /
So even then thats wayyyy better lol. I would have traded Josh and Doug (taking off 15M from Doug next year instead of having Graham money) and only get 2 less 2nd? Ya sign me up for that tbh…
Who shat in your cereal today?
Or every day, by the looks of it.
Meh….we could have lived without this deal happening. Maybe some of those seconds get used for a team wanting to trade down with us on draft day. I give this JRich trade a solid D+ on the surface.
good god
Rich is an UFA this offseason so better the Spurs get something and four 2nd's is something. Ok you take on Devonte but its only 1 season at $12m and as timvp said at least he provides spacing for the young guys to operate and grow.
I give this deal a solid B.
But why? Spurs are probably going to have ton of space they won't use anyway next season. I get not liking overpaid dudes but when it nets you extra assets for space you're probably not using anyway I don't see the problem
not really logical. They got more for J-Rich and will still get more picks when they move McBuckets expiring next season. While the J-Rich deal is a C, that would be a clear D-
I have to suspect the Westbrook talk was only because the Spurs had cap space. Basically, clickbait stuff based on only that. I don’t think the Fakers were ever going to give the Spurs a good draft pick.
The JRich deal looks “good enough” under the cir stances.
I don’t know what else people wanted in the Richardson deal. We can quibble about the Graham money, but who cares? Clearly capspace is over rated after this experience, so why not use some of next years at a position of need? They’ll still have tons next year.
Also, I think they saw some value in Graham. We’ll see.
I would rather have the better picks (IMO Lakers picks are better potential), keeps NO with the bad contract instead helping out divisional opponent and rids SA of the negative Doug deal to take flier on better upside guy/younger guy and still have same money as we do now with Graham/Doug
Lakers picks > NO picks, NO has messier cap situation & Spur have 2 less bad deals on the books. Nah. LA deal > NO deal and its not really close tbh…IMVHO
Why would a team that hopes to make a run not only give up Graham for Josh if thats true, but 4 picks then?
Yeah I bet Spurs can get Graham fixed up and contributing. They have that way with players and I could see them reclaim and restore Graham
luckily, crappy young tanking teams are the best plays for guys to get a chance to shine
JMO, but I think that we shouldn't treat all of these 2nd Round picks as picks, in and of themselves.
We should treat them as weight for multiple things:
Picks
Trade ups in Drafts
Sweetening deals for X player(s)
Sweetening deals to take on Cap for better pick(s)
2nd Rd picks aren't just 2nd Rd picks.
I do get that better 2nd Rd picks are better for everything, but the NBA is so chaotic from year to year...
You never truly know what you can expect.
It’s situational. Dude’s fortunes changed when McCollum went to the team, while Alvarado has also carved a space ahead of him.
I’m not saying he’ll be a world beater or anything to be clear, but if he can be next year’s Josh Richardson that’s cool. Hey we can get 5 SRPs for him and the next bad contract lol.
Because spurs are not using cap space next season, and both Doug and Graham are expiring after next season. Meaning they both could be traded for more picks.
Just no longer a pumper my friend. SRPs do nothing for me nor the franchise. And to the post you're responding to, do you deny our front office screwed up royally by so publicly talking about their expectations for the traded players that ultimately fetched nothing like they wanted? Thus creating a cir stance where other front offices know PATFO vlusters but will settle for less as the deadline looms closer? That makes me a guy with in my cereal??
Who shat in your cereal negative Nancy?
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This is so confusing. You want them to avoid signing players that they want in order to preserve cap space to take back bad salary in trade. But then after they take back the bad salary, you're annoyed that the guys they took are bad money? What do you think the Spurs were going to get in a trade. There are only so many Derrick White deals out there.
Say what you want about Doug. We don't need to worry about that argument again. But, yeah, this is basically your best-case scenario. They clearly got market value for a guy they took as salary ballast last year. They still have well over a max slot next year.
The Westbrook deal you assumed was there wasn't there. The Lakers were not going to give up real value in just getting rid of that contract. They got players the Spurs couldn't match and gave up an okay pick with hampered upside. I have no issue with the Spurs not wanting to cut half of the backend of their roster just to fill in some cracks for a couple more seconds. The world would not have ended had they moved on from KBD or Roby, but if those guys are practicing hard or fun in the locker room, whatever. It's not even like you wanted more seconds. I have a feeling you'd've given all seven of them up just to get off McDermott's money next year. All to have an extra $13 Million, to what? Buy more seconds they could've just kept?
It doesn't make sense.
SMH just like Doug, when you overpay mediocre to bad players it’s hard to trade them. Stop using the excuse of having cap space to take on bad overpaid players. You can actually trade for decent players too or sign them…Spurs already had plenty of 2nd round picks tbh..
Of course you dont get my POV. It’s the least surprising thing of the daySpurs turned down getting 2 2nds for WB for Josh/Doug. I would have rather done that vs hold out for this. I dont want Spurs to avoid signing players they want; I want them to not over pay them for 3+ years in order to get them to the point they are not tradable but instead viewed as negatives not worth their deals. Again, pretty straightforward as I’ve said.
Roby and KD are cheap. Doug is not. Graham is not. No I would have given all them up to get a first though.
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