The Scoot Henderson Thread

[mo7888]

These decisions aren't being made by an individual though, at least not entirely.

Scoot is the clear #2, universally at this point in the process.
(Plenty of cases where the #2 guy drops - think as recently as Evan Mobley for the riser in Jalen Green).
However, all that matters is where the Spurs rate him in comparison to other prospects in that draft and on the roster.

Hypothetically - If you could trade #2 (if Spurs don't believe that Scoot is transcendent) for say #5, and two unprotected firsts; do you think the Spurs wouldn't look at that? I'm sure they'd have to.

I don't believe there's any chance they'd do that at #2...at #3 with Wembanyama and Scoot off tbe board they might

[Mr. Body]

Hypothetically - If you could trade #2 (if Spurs don't believe that Scoot is transcendent) for say #5, and two unprotected firsts; do you think the Spurs wouldn't look at that? I'm sure they'd have to.

Of course they would look at it.

People gobble up hype like potato chips. And it's because most people are really, really ty at evaluating information on their own. Ergo, they're incredibly susceptible to flashy people getting excited about flashy things.

I don't even think Kobe came into the league saying "I rule, I'm going to dominate." He let his game speak for itself. Running your mouth just means you're gonna fall on your ass, hard, when you face adversity. It shows no caliber. It's one reason why people were turned off by Shaeden Sharpe last year, who by last look wasn't setting the league on fire.

The simple minded are impressed by flash and bells and whistles. That's who they are.

However, the Spurs were high on Mathurin and Mathurin said something even more absurd than Sharpe last draft season: that LeBron would have to prove to HIM how good he was. So it's not outside the realm of understanding that the Spurs go for a y asshole type. Mathurin has been playing well... but then he was dynamite during the tournament and Sccot hasn't played a single game of note in his entire life.

Bottom line is, I suppose the Spurs would draft Henderson at #2. Probably they will. But almost nobody here has actually seen the guy play; instead they're going off YouTube comments and what a bunch of hype men are saying. The likelihood is that he's another Jalen Green who is not ready to play in the NBA. He'll make some highlights, but fail to lead anyone forward. He's another Steve Francis.

So yeah, of course I would look at unprotected picks and trading down slightly. There's a small chance he's a future superstar (not to mention the #2 is ing cursed), there's a big chance you're setting yourself big in the long run.

[Mr. Body]

I'm going to throw this piece of raw meat out there:

There's no reason to think Scoot Henderson is much better a prospect than Jalen Green was coming out. At close to 6' even, more of a PG, he doubles the assists, but Green was much, much more efficient a scorer in every single way.

Only reason people are ting themselves over Scoot? Because they were told he's generational and would lead any draft class of the last ten years. That's what they've been told.

[Dejounte]

When this thread reaches 20+ pages, half of the posts on it will be Mr. Body telling everyone they’re wrong about Scoot. Find something else to be passionate about, dude.

[K...]

Ha i expect the odds of the spurs reaching in defiance of the mock drafts for pick 2 or 3 is much much greater that the odds they trade out or down.

[Goob]

He has a chip on his shoulder as far as everyone wanting Victor over him and rightly so.With that being said, if we do miss out on Victor, Scoot would be a great fit here also.

[PhantomDashCam]

I don't believe there's any chance they'd do that at #2...at #3 with Wembanyama and Scoot off tbe board they might

I'm not sure teams are paying big to get in at #3 though.

[exstatic]

Hypothetical: no one jumps into the top 4, and those teams just shuffle. We wind up at 2, and Orlando has 5 and 7. Do you trade 2 for 5,7?

[rascal]

You're clearly still living in the age where you think people honor contracts and play super hard to show how much they love being somewhere. **If** Scoot wants gone at the end of his rookie contract, Scoot will be gone at the end of his rookie contract, rules be damned. You know this.

Anyone they draft can be gone. Don't be so damn scared.

[mo7888]

I'm not sure teams are paying big to get in at #3 though.

It's hard to say.... outside of ST, most believe this is a draft full of talent in the top 8.. I could easily see a team falling in love with Amen, Miller, etc and trading a haul to move in to the top 3..

[mo7888]

Hypothetical: no one jumps into the top 4, and those teams just shuffle. We wind up at 2, and Orlando has 5 and 7. Do you trade 2 for 5,7?

No, I'd take Scoot and then see if there was anyway to package a current player with other assets to move into the top 10 for a second pick..the price might be to steep to do that but I'd explore it .

[offset formation]

Anyone they draft can be gone. Don't be so damn scared.

The reason I'm specifically referencing this to Scoot is because I read a comment somewhere about 2 weeks back someplace where it seemed he was dunking on small market teams. Not sure how much weight to put on that or if it was even accurate. Has nothing to do with being scurred and everything to do with being a front office that does the proper interview and research of him and determines whether he's likely to bolt at his first opportunity. That's called doing your ing job. I really am sorry to see how some of you guys don't get that.

[offset formation]

Hypothetical: no one jumps into the top 4, and those teams just shuffle. We wind up at 2, and Orlando has 5 and 7. Do you trade 2 for 5,7?

Good question and totally comes down to how PATFO scouts Scoot's talent ceiling and if he is a fit here long term. If he is viewed as that guy, you can't pass him up at 2, even for 5 and 7.

[Ariel]

Hypothetical: no one jumps into the top 4, and those teams just shuffle. We wind up at 2, and Orlando has 5 and 7. Do you trade 2 for 5,7?

The only player outside the big 2 that I'm relatively confident about is Brandon Miller, the rest come with huge question marks. The upside & fit with Scoot is too high to pass up for, say, Keyonte George & Ausar Thompson.
One other scenario I'd be more interested in, is what would happen if we come at no. 3 or no. 4, and Detroit or Charlotte pick at no. 2. Do they take Scoot, given that they have Cunningham & Ivey or Lamelo respectively? Wouldn't they be willing to trade back couple picks to get a wing (Keldon?) or future pick? Some may say of course they won't, but I'd remind them that Charlotte passed on Duren in favor of Mark Williams, and Detroit took Darko over Carmelo and Wade... weird things happen, value is subjective and you've got to be prepared and explore every chance to get better.

[PhantomDashCam]

Hypothetical: no one jumps into the top 4, and those teams just shuffle. We wind up at 2, and Orlando has 5 and 7. Do you trade 2 for 5,7?

If you value a player likely available at #5 more so than 2,3 and 4; without question.
I'm ignorant to most of the draft class at this current time apart from the aforementioned Scoot and Wemby so couldn't say for certain I'd be comfortable with it yet.

[exstatic]

The only player outside the big 2 that I'm relatively confident about is Brandon Miller, the rest come with huge question marks. The upside & fit with Scoot is too high to pass up for, say, Keyonte George & Ausar Thompson.
One other scenario I'd be more interested in, is what would happen if we come at no. 3 or no. 4, and Detroit or Charlotte pick at no. 2. Do they take Scoot, given that they have Cunningham & Ivey or Lamelo respectively? Wouldn't they be willing to trade back couple picks to get a wing (Keldon?) or future pick? Some may say of course they won't, but I'd remind them that Charlotte passed on Duren in favor of Mark Williams, and Detroit took Darko over Carmelo and Wade... weird things happen, value is subjective and you've got to be prepared and explore every chance to get better.

Not even a recent phenomenon. Portland passed on MJ, because they already had Drexler. Ooof.

[XDT76]

Hypothetical: no one jumps into the top 4, and those teams just shuffle. We wind up at 2, and Orlando has 5 and 7. Do you trade 2 for 5,7?

I will not trade it straight away, we can have a pre agreement that we draft Scoot and if whoever we want is still available at 5 then we do it at the draft, else we can trade Scoot if a good deal comes along else we just run with it. Our PG position is quite poor anyway.

[Atl Spur]

If scoot is there, we draft him period point blank

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo fondled that pervert too

[goliath]

Man, if we get #2 we draft Scoot. End of story. But he might leave, might not like small markets. All rookies sign their rookie extension so we have him for what 7-8 years? I’m not passing on scoot bc there is a possibility he might maybe leave 7 years after we draft him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

do spurs draft best man left on the board who they dont need for a trade, or draft someone they need now?

[ambchang]

^ given their record, the Spurs need everything.

[Atl Spur]

do spurs draft best man left on the board who they dont need for a trade, or draft someone they need now?

You gotta take best available talent…. The good thing is we can really use a point guard.

[Rocalcio]

Also, this is an unpopular opinion but I think the Spurs would be much more fun to watch with Scoot leading the way than Wemba. Kids try to model their game after someone they can play as and I don’t think anyone looks at Wemba and think they could play like him. Dude is a human cheat code. Of course, I acknowledge that the ceiling is higher with someone like Wemba and that he probably leads the team to more wins. I’m just saying this as a basketball junkie and what’s fun for me to watch when I’m watching a game. Scoot has some playground style handles and I love that.

Wembanyama is a living highlight machine, he'll be much more fun to watch than Henderson.

[wildbill2u]

What are the best player evaluation sites for videos on players like Scoot?