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you demonstrated you don't know just now.
wait. did he not say "we're with you" or something along those lines at the end of that conversation?
And it is amusing you think that was an attempt to humanize her. I guess you think face time does that in and of itself. That scene ends with he ting on her brother's legacy.
this is unintelligible
me: beard guy assured kathleen that "we're with you"
you: lol you are demonstrably wrong about what he said
me: wait, did he not say "we're with you" at the end of the conversation?
you: LOL you just demonstrated you dont know
you aren't engaging tbh
from the episode summary on the TLOU fan wiki
https://thelastofus.fandom.com/wiki/Endure_and_SurviveKathleen stands in her and Michael's childhood room. Perry arrives with no updates on the location of Henry or the man who killed Bryan and asks Kathleen how she is doing. Kathleen reflects on how Michael raised her not to be afraid, and reveals that the day before his death, he asked her to forgive Henry for betraying him. However, she feels she does not have it in her to forgive and expresses doubt that she should even be leading the revolutionaries. Perry reminds her she led them when overthrowing FEDRA, not Michael, and that he and the others have her back.
so yeah, i was demonstrably right. he assured her that they all have her back which is what my claim was. not sure if you were trying to gaslight by saying i was "demonstrably wrong" about what was said or if you are just unable to follow a conversation
You know but your asking anyway?
What he said is, "you're brother was a great man, we all loved him but he didn't change. . . anything. you did. we are with you."
IOW, he didn't save us from the oppressive regime but you did so we follow you.
It's not hard but dumbing the entire thing down to the very last 4 words by not paying attention loses context.
thanks for the clip
sometimes thats how people talk when they are confirming something
"wait, didnt xyz happen?"
yeah. guy questions her judgment/decision making. suggests that she also should forgive henry or just let it go. this comes after a scene where she insists they go door to door and she gets immediate pushback saying thats going to take a lot of resources. then he comes here trying to talk her off that ledge. she says no, she doesnt give a about forgiveness and still just wants to hunt henry downWhat he said is, "you're brother was a great man, we all loved him but he didn't change. . . anything. you did. we are with you."
IOW, he didn't save us from the oppressive regime but you did so we follow you.
It's not hard but dumbing the entire thing down to the very last line by not paying attention loses context.
and then he follows that with his reassurance that they're with her. all the judgment questioning from before just ignored, and it wasnt just the one time either, there was another scene in the previous episode where it was kinda clear that some of the other resistance folk were not on the same page as her. but all that wiped away. we're with you. im saying it didnt feel earned at all.
in direct contrast with marlene, who when she knew there was discord among the ranks, she at least made an effort to explain the situation and earn their trust
i dont know how you watch that scene and not think it was an attempt to humanize kathleen. not agree with her or think she is making the right choices, but at least empathizing with why she is so bent on the henry pursuit.
nothing said in this scene mattered at all though because he had already determined that they're with her before anything she said here. so why waste our time with 3 minutes? thats why im saying, the the time they spent to build up the KC storyline, and in particular, kathleen, simply didnt pay off for me, with the exception if giving more depth to henry. i still am enjoying the show, and even thought the episodes on the whole were quite good. i just wasnt a fan of how some of that stuff was dealt with
Dude you need to play the second game already spurraider21
You have gone from claiming I am unintelligible to a whine. Nice.
And at the very end he distills it down for even a simpleton like you to understand. they are conflicted but at the end of the day she saved them from an oppressive regime so they are with her. there is no analog to that in the fireflies. that you keep insisting on the comparison as apples to apples is funny though.
Your original claim was sympathize so let's stick to that, eh? No I do not sympathize with someone who states that they surrendered everything the one they are seeking revenge for held ideal. It makes her out to be a selfish . Is that human, sure, but base human motivations are not necessarily desirable.
And it is amusing you think that was an attempt to humanize her. I guess you think face time does that in and of itself. That scene ends with he ting on her brother's legacy.
I doubt that someone with your reliance on cognitive bias and fallacy was ever able to pass the LSAT much less the bar. You fixate on winning isolated points of fact and are incapable of forming a coherent argument. With the same brain decrying for tat you go for this facile nonsense.
You are truly Counselor Crayola.
You did dumb down the end of the exchange and completely missed the point. Your comparison remains ignorant because of it. But hey the scene "humanized her" even if it did nothing to ingratiate an attentive audience to the character.
LSAT isn’t pass fail. And it was actually the strong point of my applications. And I’ve passed two bars, not one
you are foaming at the mouth out of personal spite and are incapable of simply discussing the topic at hand. I’m not going to contribute to the derailment of the thread any further so done responding to ya for now
I mean you know what it's foreshadowing with Joel and you know what Kathleen foreshadows too now that we know how the main story plays out from the games. EMO Joel makes sense early on because he still thinks he's Ellie's only hope. But the morning after Ellie tells him she isn't Sarah that EMO is gone as he realizes she has real survival skills and isn't completely dependent on his old ass.
i mean, when he has the first panic attack on screen, Ellie literally says "if you die, i'm ed", and during the big argument she tells him that she'd be too scared without him. dno if the takeaway is that he suddenly realizes that she isnt dependent on him
he already saw some of her survival skills (taking watch when Joel fell asleep, shanking some infected during the sniper shootout) before they ran into Tommy and he was still feeling all of that. i think he just realized that he doesnt have it in him to actually leave her, even if he's scared or legitimately believes Tommy is better suited for the job.
Tess told him to save who he can save. the letter from Bill told him to protect Tess (now Ellie), and that people like Bill and Joel are here to serve that purpose, to protect those close to them. he thought he saw Sarah while in Wyoming in the crowd, and then he had that dream sequence with his fixed watch, etc. as much as he doesnt want to accept it (you're not my daughter), think he just finally came to grips that he sees Ellie as a daughter figure and no longer just cargo.
i didnt think him deciding to go along with Ellie meant he's suddenly over the panic attacks/anxiety/fear, but rather that he feels he needs to endure it because this is his purpose now
IDK, seems like he trusts her a lot more once she tells him she isn't Sarah and he has a night to come to terms with it. He doesn't protest at all in the morning once she picks him over Tommy even though he knows Tommy is more qualified.
LOL he knew damn well she was going to pick him over Tommy, as evidenced by their previous interaction. by "giving her the choice" he was basically saying "im going with you because i dont have it in me to let you go" without admitting it outright. it was just theater on his part tbh
i reallllly dont think he "gave her a choice" because he suddenly felt she was capable. that was just his way of changing his mind but pretending like he was making it her choice. followed the spirit of the game where he just ends up changing his mind and telling Ellie to give her horse back to Tommy and hop on his horse.
I don't buy that. If it was helpless Sarah he would have ensured she was escorted by Tommy by any means necessary. I don't think Ellie's "I'm not her" was a throwaway line.
TV show Joel isn't game Joel.
Brah after their argument joel goes away and has a dream of Sarah with his watch fixed and all and next thing you know he’s waiting at the stables for her
of course “I’m not her” isn’t a throwaway line. She finally realized why Joel has been distant with her, wants to pawn her off. he doesnt want to lose somebody else and blame himself again. he feels like he failed sarah, obviously. then he failed tess (especially after Bill's letter saying his purpose is to defend people and specifically told him to keep Tess safe). he saw henry fail sam. now with the near death situations he thinks hes going to fail Ellie too and she'll wind up dead because of him. pawning her off on tommy was his out
but despite all that, when the rubber met the road, he didnt have it in him to leave her
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Man that would be a ty and anticlimactic way for Joel to die if that's what happened.
He tried to warn Tommy. He’s weaker than he was, and can’t hear well enough. Got snuck up on again in a damn open field
Only seen the first 3 episodes, but being completely honest, Pedro has been mostly nondescript and bland as “Joel”, and getting outshone by everyone else in the cast. Hope that changes tbh, I’d love to be wrong about him.
By far weakest episode of the series. Took an hour to tell a 20-25 minute story
Pedro escorting Ellie through trouble to save the world is much like Pedro escorting Grogu through the galaxy to save the world. Pedro is unremarkable, but the characters around him are entertaining.
Sucks that there is no way they're going to be able to finish the first game in this season with only two episodes left. Really thought the Left Behind stuff would only be half an episode too.
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