The Scoot Henderson Thread

[exstatic]

I will freaking riot if SA does this lol - if you are lucky enough to land 1 or 2 then you take freaking Wemby/Scoot. I would need to see some astonishing stuff to make me change my mind lol

Scoot, and both Thompson twins are products of the AAU hype machine, and are the reasons that there are always re-draft articles two or three years later.

I keep coming hack to Eric Bledsoe as Scoots comp, and that’s not a good thing. Springy, small guard who’s not a knockdown shooter. Even back in 2010 when Bledsoe was drafted, and shooting was MUCH less valued, he went #18, not even a lottery pick.

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Running the draft simulator on Tankathon is pretty sobering. Most of the time the Spurs end up picking in 4-6 range. The flattened lottery odds really hurt.

Yep. Better to internalize that now then be heavily disappointed come draft positioning day. I posted a few weeks back about our odds of drafting 4-6 are far higher than getting 1 or 2. That said, PATFO has done everything we needed them to do to amplify our odds to the best odds possible. So no complaints about pop or spurs moves will be justified if we don't get it. Just the bounce of the balls.

Now in that same post, I ed about the nba's process and how the odds are not weighted higher for the top 5, especially the top 3 teams, to secure that top seed.

[exstatic]

Yep. Better to internalize that now then be heavily disappointed come draft positioning day. I posted a few weeks back about our odds of drafting 4-6 are far higher than getting 1 or 2. That said, PATFO has done everything we needed them to do to amplify our odds to the best odds possible. So no complaints about pop or spurs moves will be justified if we don't get it. Just the bounce of the balls.

Now in that same post, I ed about the nba's process and how the odds are not weighted higher for the top 5, especially the top 3 teams, to secure that top seed.

Blame that on Philadelphia, and their five year process. Much less incentive to totally destroy your team for multiple seasons if top odds are 14%, and not 25%.

[Mr. Body]

Scoot, and both Thompson twins are products of the AAU hype machine, and are the reasons that there are always re-draft articles two or three years later.

I keep coming hack to Eric Bledsoe as Scoots comp, and that’s not a good thing. Springy, small guard who’s not a knockdown shooter. Even back in 2010 when Bledsoe was drafted, and shooting was MUCH less valued, he went #18, not even a lottery pick.

It feels like there have been red(dish) flags to Henderson for a while, but then I'm inherently disinclined to buy certain kinds of hype. Scoot has become the equivalent of Stephen A. Smith yelling in my ear for thirty minutes. I also mentioned Eric Bledsoe and I keep saying Steve Francis. Undersize, very high usage guards who cannot play off ball. Scoot is an athletic marvel whose strength profile should make him get his stats in G-League straight off. His assist numbers are impressive, however, if they're more than dump-offs.

But then it's G-League. At this point nobody should be overly impressed with G-League stats. And, again, you're throwing a year of development away; not a single game in G-League matters, and it's when you're trying to kill runs in hostile arenas against teams that hate you and coaches that are gameplanning you, that's when you learn how to play basketball.

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Blame that on Philadelphia, and their five year process. Much less incentive to totally destroy your team for multiple seasons if top odds are 14%, and not 25%.

You could have diminishing odds and/or automatic reductions in draft location after 2 or 3 years. There are ways to disincentivize annual tanking like Philly did while enabling bad teams, like the Spurs, to truly change their trajectories with franchise changing talent you only get really with those top 2 or 3 picks. We are a truly bad team and ought to have netter odds than 14% at landing a #1 slot.

[Mr. Body]

You could have diminishing odds and/or automatic reductions in draft location after 2 or 3 years. There are ways to disincentivize annual tanking like Philly did while enabling bad teams, like the Spurs, to truly change their trajectories with franchise changing talent you only get really with those top 2 or 3 picks. We are a truly bad team and ought to have netter odds than 14% at landing a #1 slot.

I'm going to go ahead and say Silver saw the Spurs becoming bad, so was happy to flatten the odds against us, too.

The guy who specifically called out the Spurs for resting players who needed rest, said he'd fine teams for doing the same, and only fined the Spurs.

[Atl Spur]

Scoot, and both Thompson twins are products of the AAU hype machine, and are the reasons that there are always re-draft articles two or three years later.

I keep coming hack to Eric Bledsoe as Scoots comp, and that’s not a good thing. Springy, small guard who’s not a knockdown shooter. Even back in 2010 when Bledsoe was drafted, and shooting was MUCH less valued, he went #18, not even a lottery pick.

Not the same player……

[exstatic]

Not the same player……

No one is exactly the same, which is why we call them comps.

[Atl Spur]

No one is exactly the same, which is why we call them comps.

Really? Relax homie……he’s not a good comp.

[exstatic]

Really? Relax homie……he’s not a good comp.

Why? Explain if you’re going to drop a statement like that. I explained why he was: undersized, springy/ athlete, not a knockdown shooter. Bring your goods, homie.

[MannyIsGod]

I will freaking riot if SA does this lol - if you are lucky enough to land 1 or 2 then you take freaking Wemby/Scoot. I would need to see some astonishing stuff to make me change my mind lol

Yeah exactly there's no debate on this to be had imo. Last thing I want to see is the spurs outsmart themselves.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yeah exactly there's no debate on this to be had imo. Last thing I want to see is the spurs outsmart themselves.

AGAIN!

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

With the 3rd pick in the NBA draft, the San Antonio Spurs select....Whothe Isthat?

Let's just avoid completely unproven 18 year-olds out of the SEC.

[Atl Spur]

Why? Explain if you’re going to drop a statement like that. I explained why he was: undersized, springy/ athlete, not a knockdown shooter. Bring your goods, homie.

This is not even a discussion…..maybe a John wall talent would be better. Scoot is the real deal.

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo does a lot of yapping but never says nothing
Well except for her obsession with the pervert

[exstatic]

This is not even a discussion…..maybe a John wall talent would be better. Scoot is the real deal.

Their numbers are fairly comparable, but wall is bigger, and played the highest level of D I basketball at UK, and had to share touches with four other FRPs at UK that year. The gleague pales in comparison.

[scott]

I will freaking riot if SA does this lol - if you are lucky enough to land 1 or 2 then you take freaking Wemby/Scoot. I would need to see some astonishing stuff to make me change my mind lol

What have we really seen from Scoot to warrant this kind of reaction other than media hype? It's not like he is blowing up the G-League. He's not even performing at the level of Mac McClung, who anyone could have had for free, or even Blake Wesley, who is already on our team. Honestly, Scoot's G League stats look a lot like Josh Primo's.

It's not like Scoot came in and impressed during the Rising Stars game either. What exactly makes Scoot this generational talent aside from a bunch of talking heads saying so?

Granted, there is a difference between potential and current performance, and Scoot may indeed possess all the magical traits that make a franchise player... but what are they? It isn't size. It's isn't shooting. It isn't performance. So, what is it?

[Mr. Body]

This is not even a discussion…..maybe a John wall talent would be better. Scoot is the real deal.

Hey, guys, Atl Spur says Scoot is the real deal. Case closed.

[heyheymymy]

I was always skeptical of scoot but I think you have to say he is the #2 potential ands so if you select #2 it's hard to pick around that for someone else.

But I'm not sold and I'm not enamored with what I've seen from scoot myself. God at this point, lukewarm on Scoot and having wasted hours of tape on a red flag, just gotta hope we pull that #1 for Wemby. Let's do this. Although with sims dropping SA 3-6 waaaay too much, realistically it'll be a non flashy routine draft for the Spurs most likely.

[heyheymymy]

who is even the top targets after Wemby/Scoot and barring Miller, skipping Amen and Ausar

NSJ
Jarace Walker
Keyonte
Gradey
Cam Whitmore
Anthony Black

Not what you want to see

[The Truth #6]

Jarace Walker or Anthony Black seem like reasonable guesses for whom they’ll end up with.

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Jarace Walker or Anthony Black seem like reasonable guesses for whom they’ll end up with.

Haven't really started my film reviews on these guys, and that goes for Scoot as well, but imagine tanking this season, having a Spurs-worst losing streak and/or season, and setting all-time records for defensive inep ude, yet coming away with Anthony Black or someone similar.

That, without admittedly knowing a bunch about his game, at this moment, simply isn't likely to substantially alter this team's current direction and steer us out of the doldrums. Seems like a potential HUGE kick in the nuts.

[scott]

Haven't really started my film on these guys, and that goes for Scoot as well, but imagine tanking this season, having a spurs-worst losing season, and setting all-time re odds for defensive inep ude, and coming away with Anthony Black.

That, without knowing a bunch about his game, at this moment, simply isn't likely to substantially alter this team's current direction and steer us out of the doldrums. Seems like a potential HUGE kick in the nuts.

100%, but alas that's the way the game is set up. When you think of things from a business perspective, it is easy to understand why a franchise might choose to tread water as a play-in or low-seeded playoff team as opposed to go hard tank. You might be able to at least be a successful business as the former.

[Atl Spur]

Hey, guys, Atl Spur says Scoot is the real deal. Case closed.

Until I lead you astray, go with it

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[Dejounte]

What have we really seen from Scoot to warrant this kind of reaction other than media hype? It's not like he is blowing up the G-League. He's not even performing at the level of Mac McClung, who anyone could have had for free, or even Blake Wesley, who is already on our team. Honestly, Scoot's G League stats look a lot like Josh Primo's.

It's not like Scoot came in and impressed during the Rising Stars game either. What exactly makes Scoot this generational talent aside from a bunch of talking heads saying so?

Granted, there is a difference between potential and current performance, and Scoot may indeed possess all the magical traits that make a franchise player... but what are they? It isn't size. It's isn't shooting. It isn't performance. So, what is it?

For me, like I’ve stated in another thread, I don’t view Scoot as a generational prospect. But he is the clear #2 pick in this draft. I’m not one to “believe the hype” and there have been plenty of players in the past similar to Scoot’s background that I flat out did NOT like as prospects before they were drafted. These include Jalen Green, which I said over and over, was like an untamed version of Dejounte Murray and people scoffed at that remark. I also was a “ No” on Shaedon Sharpe. I was also a no on Johnny Davis when 99% on this board were advocating for him (ironically enough we are supposed to listen to the same people’s advice on prospects today). I was right about Jalen Johnson being a bust. Soon, I’ll probably be right about Jabari Smith… Rockets fans are already calling him a bust. I called Josh Giddey, Franz Wagner, Jalen Williams rising in the draft before anyone else. Sure, I’ve got plenty of things wrong but I get more things right

ALL THAT TO SAY. I’m not one to just watch a highlight or two of any player. Scoot is the real deal from my observations and I will go into detail later when I’m on a computer.