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    Yup, looks Dominican to me.

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    It's a draft where it's not entirely clear that there are players that 'deserve' to be 3-9 or whatever. That said, there are players I definitely like. I'm unsure how I rank these:

    Jarace Walker
    Cam Whitmore
    Cason Wallace
    Nick Smith, Jr.
    Keyonte George

    They each have deficiencies and I wonder how they'll translate. Is Whitmore a Thybulle type very good at defense but struggles everywhere else? I have a nagging sense that Nick Smith is kind of like Johnny Davis in build and relying on making tough shots without separation. Cason Wallace is interesting and under the radar, but it's hard to see him as a high lottery pick.

    I think the Thompson twins will definitely be lottery picks and one of them will likely got top 5.

    These are the non top-2 players that I am continually drawn to:

    Anthony Black
    Gradey

    I think they will rise up boards, I think they will have great tournaments, and each shows a very high feel for the game. Now, do I think they are 'top 5 picks'? I suppose that doesn't totally matter. There's going to be a hopefully talented player coming onto the roster from this draft and it should be a right one. Do I want to pick one of these guys at #4 or #5? I guess not. But that's where I am at this point. My list will change, but I'm confident either of those players will be nice pros.
    Dean lists one and two, and then lists 5 guys tied for seven, because he says he sees no player who is a number three yet.

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    Hopefully some players will play well down the stretch and in March Madness because right now it's hard to be too excited about anyone past Scoot & Wemby.
    Someone will get a great discount on Brandon Miller if he can straighten up his life.
    Nick Smith Jr is probably the most intriguing guy left after that just because we haven't see him play very much.
    Everyone else looks like a role player at best.

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    Hopefully some players will play well down the stretch and in March Madness because right now it's hard to be too excited about anyone past Scoot & Wemby.
    Someone will get a great discount on Brandon Miller if he can straighten up his life.
    Nick Smith Jr is probably the most intriguing guy left after that just because we haven't see him play very much.
    Everyone else looks like a role player at best.
    I don't know how many times I have to tell people to watch Anthony Black play.

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    I’m intrigued by Black. Broadly, he sort of reminds me of Dyson Daniels.

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    We know for sure no one is trading Wemby…agree there. Just wondering if Scoot could be had…

    Say CHA or DET - team with lead guards already, land 2. Would they trade Scoot for Pick 3, unprotected future 1st & Keldon?
    The Hornets, I don't see it because the size and shooting of Ball makes Henderson playable needs to him, they desperately need another star to keep the former invested and failing that, someone to build around if (when?) he forces his way out.

    The Pistons, on the other hand, desperately needs wings (even though Cunningham is one defensively) + shooting and given Ivey's ties to the area and their not being a non glamor market, I'm skeptical they'd trade him even though Henderson is the better prospect.

    Even then, the Spurs probably can't fall past 4 and either this Miller situation needs to have little to no effect on his stock or they need to be irrationally high on Johnson.

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    I don't know how many times I have to tell people to watch Anthony Black play.
    Thanks I'll take a closer look

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    Why the would we trade #3, a future unprotected first and Keldon for Scoot?

    Keldon is a rounding error to me but unless that future unprotected is 5-7 years out our own draft picks are the only real assets this franchise has and should be treated like gold. Trading one to move up one spot for Scoot? Are you ing kidding me?

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    ^ I probably wouldn't quite go entirely unprotected but the argument would be, hypothetically if this were on the table, are they likely to get a better prospect in the next half decade?

    And as much as him not being "Spurs material" is talked about, the flipside of that is if he didn't force his way out mid second contract, he'd probably be the best recruiter they've ever had for that very reason.

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    Best guard after Scoot imo

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    Has Emoni Bates played his way into the late 1st round? Seems statistically he’s improved considerably and is looking more and more like the prospect he was supposed to be.

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    ^ I probably wouldn't quite go entirely unprotected but the argument would be, hypothetically if this were on the table, are they likely to get a better prospect in the next half decade?

    And as much as him not being "Spurs material" is talked about, the flipside of that is if he didn't force his way out mid second contract, he'd probably be the best recruiter they've ever had for that very reason.
    Cam Boozer, at 15, is ing destroying the same compe ion that the Thompson Twins are drifting through. He’ll be in the 2026 draft unless they make HS players available before then. A prospect like Scoot literally comes along every two to three drafts. You don’t trade up for him, ever.

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    Why the would we trade #3, a future unprotected first and Keldon for Scoot?

    Keldon is a rounding error to me but unless that future unprotected is 5-7 years out our own draft picks are the only real assets this franchise has and should be treated like gold. Trading one to move up one spot for Scoot? Are you ing kidding me?
    We have ATL picks, swap with BOS etc…doesn’t have to be a Spurs pick and you do this if you think Scoot has that star potential (we don’t know how SA feels). But if they did feel that and they think he’s a legit offensive engine? Ya, easy.

    Would you trade 3, Keldon and one of ATL picks for Ja? Of course you would. If SA thinks Scoot is of that caliber then thats what Im saying. But seems unlikely anyone trades Scoot IMO, even DET. Maybe Ivey could be had though (or in a year or two)

    And you’re acting like “trading up 1 spot!!!” Is a thing that matters. It’s about the talent. Obviously most feel there is a significant drop off from 2 to 3+. Would like saying “trade 2 and Keldon and a future first to move up one spot for Wemby?”

    Yes, I would pay that to move up one spot
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    We have ATL picks, swap with BOS etc…doesn’t have to be a Spurs pick and you do this if you think Scoot has that star potential (we don’t know how SA feels). But if they did feel that and they think he’s a legit offensive engine? Ya, easy.

    Would you trade 3, Keldon and one of ATL picks for Ja? Of course you would. If SA thinks Scoot is of that caliber then thats what Im saying. But seems unlikely anyone trades Scoot IMO, even DET. Maybe Ivey could be had though (or in a year or two)

    And you’re acting like “trading up 1 spot!!!” Is a thing that matters. It’s about the talent. Obviously most feel there is a significant drop off from 2 to 3+. Would like saying “trade 2 and Keldon and a future first to move up one spot for Wemby?”

    Yes, I would pay that to move up one spot
    If only...

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    The Spurs aren't going to purposefully be awful for another four years to have a 1/7 chance at drafting some dude. The best player in the next two or three drafts is well worth a lightly protected first. I like Keldon, but he's not an obstacle in the face or a superstar prospect. If you don't like Scoot, it makes sense to not trade for him. If he's Ja or even Edwards, you get him if you can.

    I wouldn't make the Wemby trade with 2 in hand unless I had the full dossier on him and had zero red flags. I don't have a bunch of confidence he'll hold up.

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    I have a feeling that a lot of teams may not view Scoot with the same fervor as the media or fans.

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    The Spurs aren't going to purposefully be awful for another four years to have a 1/7 chance at drafting some dude. The best player in the next two or three drafts is well worth a lightly protected first. I like Keldon, but he's not an obstacle in the face or a superstar prospect. If you don't like Scoot, it makes sense to not trade for him. If he's Ja or even Edwards, you get him if you can.

    I wouldn't make the Wemby trade with 2 in hand unless I had the full dossier on him and had zero red flags. I don't have a bunch of confidence he'll hold up.
    Sure - I was just making a point lol about moving up “only” one spot. Not all spots are equal etc…but ya, this all hinges on what SA feels about these guys which we dont know alongside the luck of even being in that situation. Let’s hope it’s a real conversation May 16th.

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    I have a feeling that a lot of teams may not view Scoot with the same fervor as the media or fans.
    That would be tremendous because it means SA would have a real shot at getting for him or trading up if they land in top 4 vs having to be in top 2.

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    I have a feeling that a lot of teams may not view Scoot with the same fervor as the media or fans.
    Teams are as susceptible to hype as much as anyone. The Warriors had doubts about Wiseman, for example, and ownership overruled the FO.

    I mark Henderson far, far better than Wiseman, by the way. At least he's playing and has skills. Wiseman hiding himself set off an insane number of alarms for me.

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    Dang Miller just looks so good. He's still #3 on my board, yes, even with the gun thing.
    He has at ude, he rises to compe ion, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, and he is an elite athlete going to the rim.
    The details of that gun situation sound a little less bad the more I learn about it.
    He apparently never handled the gun.
    Still a bad situation that deserves major scrutiny, but I suspect it will not deter most teams from picking him at #3.

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    ALA goes into OT vs South Carolina

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    Has Emoni Bates played his way into the late 1st round? Seems statistically he’s improved considerably and is looking more and more like the prospect he was supposed to be.
    Character issues are his problem similar ie...gun charge

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    Dang Miller just looks so good. He's still #3 on my board, yes, even with the gun thing.
    He has at ude, he rises to compe ion, he can shoot, he can create his own shot, and he is an elite athlete going to the rim.
    The details of that gun situation sound a little less bad the more I learn about it.
    He apparently never handled the gun.
    Still a bad situation that deserves major scrutiny, but I suspect it will not deter most teams from picking him at #3.
    Whole situation is a shame. Miller was my top candidate for anything after #2 that SA would select at. Wasted hours of tape now due to this gun thing because Spurs probably will avoid him. Going to suck if the whole thing blows over and he goes on to be stable and a great player for some other team. It's a terrible exposure though. It's all over ESPN. Crazy thing is CHA is also poised to land Miller and are they shy on it after the whole Bridges domestic abuse thing. Two teams both kinda scarred recently and may be averse to select Miller on recency bias. Meanwhile some sleazy teams will pick up Miller, Primo and Briges as soon as socially possible/accetable and win games with them.

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    If that first pick falls outside of top 2 I say get Keyonte George or Anthony Black

    Pick up Julian Strawther with the 2RP and probably trade the Raptors 2RP but there are some interesting names around the pick: Adem Bona, Djurisic, Terrance Shannon, Jr and Sidy Cissoko if you want a stash pick.

    Very realistic Spursy draft imo

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    Character issues are his problem similar ie...gun charge
    Yeah I’m aware but for now it appears to be behind him and he’s played well. If he stays on the up and up for the rest of the year I’m curious as to where he’ll land.

    He wasn’t a problem prior to that one incident and maybe he learned his lesson.

    Perhaps the same with Miller. But I was never super high on miller in the first place.

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