two 70 point games in one season
Last edited by lefty; 02-27-2023 at 08:43 AM.
Problem is that with David as the franchise guy, they lost multiple times in the playoffs to lower seeds. Maybe you don't win les with a Johnson-Del Negro backcourt. But without Timmay, David led the Spurs out of the second round I believe once in six tries. Lost in the first round three times. That's an indictment on him as the franchise star, just like the criticisms of guys like Dominique and T-Mac not getting out of the first round. Similar to criticisms of Jokic now, until he makes multiple deep runs in the post season and wins a le. He's got time to change that criticism
I wasn't comparing their actual basketball games and skill sets. It was more of a general comparison of two great, individual centers who put up MVP caliber production but who could not lead their teams to better post season success. And two guys who may best be used as a #2 instead of the #1 guy. And while I'm a Joker fan, you can put him in the same conversation until he proves it as well. It's not a skills or individual production thing. It's a question about whether they are the types who can do all the other things, from leadership to mental toughness and clutchness and other intangibles, to lead their teams to les.
That was the point of my comparison.
Jokic and Robinson were penalized for overachieving in the regular season. Those teams were horribly flawed and easily exploited in the playoffs.
Joker and the Nuggz the last three post seasons lost to two eventual NBA champs and the other went to the NBA Finals.
Pre Duncan, Robinson's Spurs lost four times in six years to lower seeds with worse records. Only the Hakeem Rockets out of the four became eventual champs. One other got to the Finals. But I think it does offer some context on the difference between the post season failures.
Look, both can be criticized. I am being more harsh on Robinson because I think it's warranted. Joker deserves criticism too. Won't deny it. I think his playoff failures in totality are more understandable. And his story isn't finished. D-Rob's is.
Fair point. But mine was more about both of them dragging their teams to regular season records they shouldn’t have had to begin with because those were just some badly constructed teams.
Regular season games were much less prepared for as scouting reports often have to get ready for multiple teams over the course of a short period of time whereas in the playoffs you are playing the same team for more than a week with ample prep times in between games.
If there is a weakness to exploit, the other team will blow it wide open. The spurs didn’t have a weakness, they had multiple. The backcourt isn’t starter quality, even for bad teams so forget about a contender. AJ was cut multiple times by multiple teams. Deal Negro had his best seasons on the spurs and his production wasn’t even 8th man level stuff. PF was either an injured mings, person with a broken back, jr reid, Antoine Carr or a totally checked out rodman. The spurs were deeply flawed and were lucky to win 45 games a season. Yet they were winning 50 to 55 games every year with robinson leading them in scoring, rebounding, blocks, steals and assists.
Stopping the spurs were simply double and triple teaming robinson and let the other guys beat you. Robinson deserved the blame for never developing a game that would allow him to score consistently over these double and triple teams to a degree but I’d argue that’s an unreasonable request.
Nowitzki had the same problem until 2011.
Fairness to Robinson you had Greg Popplevich forcing Timmy Dunks to play with a starting lineup of Washed Finley, Roger Mason and Pet Matty Bonner. Got ousted in 2009 Round 1 4 games to 1.
ok by yout logic big scoring games in the 80s /90s were inflated compared to the previous eras
The game evolves, players get better, the league more talented from top to bottom than it has ever been, but I don’t expect you to understand that
80s stats were no doubt inflated.ok by yout logic big scoring games in the 80s /90s were inflated compared to the previous eras
The game evolves, players get better, the league more talented from top to bottom than it has ever been, but I don’t expect you to understand that
60s stats were inefficient chucking.
90s stats were thug ball plus jordan special rules.
70s stats were coked out.
I still say mid late 00s to mid 10s ball was the best.
And grew up watching 80s ball.
They are soft today. Load management BS
Other generations were playing in shoes with no support; sometimes playing back-to-back-to-back and even flying coach.
You cant touch anybody now. Every time someone falls down they have to go look at the replay for 5 minutes.
The game has evolved and players are learning all the tricks from yesteryear, but they are still soft as Charmin and everyone is bombing away from 3. The only time i find this sh1t the least bit entertaining is the postseason be cause there is finally some chippyness and physicality invovled.
But I'm genuinely happy for you that you enjoy watching these scrimmages.
ok by yout logic big scoring games in the 80s /90s were inflated compared to the previous eras
The game evolves, players get better, the league more talented from top to bottom than it has ever been, but I don’t expect you to understand that
^ No surprise why the Euros are so successful in today's NBA. Have they toughed up compared to the earlier generations - to an extent. But even more so the American has weakened. For numerous reasons culturally, socially and financially.
Humans are a byproduct of their surroundings. I don't think it's something genetic. Hard life creates hardened men. Soft life shapes soft men. There are exceptions but for the most part today's player is pampered from a young age.
The average casual fan of the NBA is more likely to click on a game today than watching the physical thuggery of the past and that's the bottomline for the NBA. Also to my earlier point it's easier for International players to make the jump.
Yeah late 00’s to 10’s was the best defensive era imo
Also the Western Conference was a bloodbath during that era
In another era Spurs would have 4peated tbh…. Mavs, Grizzlies, Suns, Rockets, Hornets, Lakers, OKC
Holy
I’m obviously biased, but yeah that was the best era of basketball imo. So many teams had a chance to win it year in and year out. You had physical defense, dynamic perimeter players, some of the best PFs of all time at their peaks. Man…what a time.Yeah late 00’s to 10’s was the best defensive era imo
Also the Western Conference was a bloodbath during that era
In another era Spurs would have 4peated tbh…. Mavs, Grizzlies, Suns, Rockets, Hornets, Lakers, OKC
Holy
But I will say, if the NBA cleans up defense and continues to clean up the insanely offense-biased officiating, this new era will be amazing too. Talent is better than ever from top to bottom, and there’sa lot of parity on the league right now.
I know. I just don't think that's true in Embiid's case because of his more versatile offensive skillset. I don't think they've had a legitimate championship contender yet. The same goes for Jokic.
Clips now 0-3 to start the Russ era despite the fact that he's been playing reasonably well, by his paltry standards.
It will be interesting to see what happens when he cools off.
^ 0-4
Complete free fall in NBA standards
Russ isn’t playing horribly but clippers lack guts/for ude.
For a team with elite wing defense when a good team goes on a run they fold.
westbrook last 14 games as a starter 14 loses.
Ultimate tank commander!!!westbrook last 14 games as a starter 14 loses.
westbrook last 14 games as a starter 14 loses.Wow maybe Spurs should have worked a trade for Bricky.Ultimate tank commander!!!
And that's 0-5 for the Clips now in Russ era. And bro is still playing some really solid ball, by his standards.
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