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    I suppose there is a world where I could root for him (pending a LOT of additional information), but man — I don’t give a how good of a basketball player he is. The guy delivered a murder weapon to the actual crime scene.
    I'm not justifying his actions, much less rooting for him, but simply describing what I saw in the game.

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    Yeah that's the shame with Miller. Would've been great on the court.

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    Barely any mass shooting in the entire world every year (besides terrorism but that's another topic), dozens every year in the only western country where eveyone can buy guns, and some people still try to elaborate obscure theories on how gun laws wouldn't change anything...

    You have world wide statistics showing that no guns, no death (no !?), but some people are still trying... There are french, british or german who may barely see any mass shooting in their entire life, meanwhile you'll never be sure that your kids will leave their school alive in America because some wacko made a bloddbath with the assault rifle he bought the day before... But "hey... Prayers! And I don't care, it's not my kids..." Oh wait, its is? Nooooo!

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    Barely any mass shooting in the entire world every year (besides terrorism but that's another topic), dozens every year in the only western country where eveyone can buy guns, and some people still try to elaborate obscure theories on how gun laws wouldn't change anything...

    You have world wide statistics showing that no guns, no death (no !?), but some people are still trying... There are french, british or german who may barely see any mass shooting in their entire life, meanwhile you'll never be sure that your kids will leave their school alive in America because some wacko made a bloddbath with the assault rifle he bought the day before... But "hey... Prayers! And I don't care, it's not my kids..." Oh wait, its is? Nooooo!
    There is a political forum where you can post your theories.

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    There is a political forum where you can post your facts.
    Fixed it for you.

    And read the thread before trying to patronize people in the wind...

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    There is a political forum where you can post your theories.
    They're fine here. Just suck it up and learn something.

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    If the Spurs end up pick 5-7 and don’t trade down I’ll be pretty content with Jarace Walker, the defensive potential would be great to have. Houston held Cincinnati to 25% shooting today.

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    I suppose there is a world where I could root for him (pending a LOT of additional information), but man — I don’t give a how good of a basketball player he is. The guy delivered a murder weapon to the actual crime scene.
    We'll never know the true facts of how or why Miller delivered the gun (unless the state of, and University of, Alabama prove themselves to be way more forthright than I expect them to be).

    I base no judgment of Miller upon any of those unknowable things.

    But there is something out there that we can all know -- Miller's very public after-the-fact reaction to all of it. His reaction to this life-ending horrific event.

    His cold, public reaction has been indifference bordering upon smugness (perhaps even a perverse celebration).

    For that reason alone, I hope Miller is never a member of our Spurs.

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    This sub will melt if spurs take this dude at 3

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    This sub will melt if spurs take this dude at 3
    Or WORSE: we pick after Wemby & Scoot are gone, he's available and we pass for this issue alone. That could really haunt us for a decade or more, Scola & Sengun meltdowns could look like a joke in retrospect.

    Don't get me wrong, I do share Russ' view mostly, the pat down act after the fact is quite telling even if he's innocent, but I also don't want to have those what ifs hanging over my head for years and years.

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    Nah, Miller gave the gun away. We need shooters.
    This! We need more of this in this forum. +1000000000000

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    Or WORSE: we pick after Wemby & Scoot are gone, he's available and we pass for this issue alone. That could really haunt us for a decade or more, Scola & Sengun meltdowns could look like a joke in retrospect.

    Don't get me wrong, I do share Russ' view mostly, the pat down act after the fact is quite telling even if he's innocent, but I also don't want to have those what ifs hanging over my head for years and years.

    this draft for San Antonio will be interesting asf

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    We'll never know the true facts of how or why Miller delivered the gun (unless the state of, and University of, Alabama prove themselves to be way more forthright than I expect them to be).

    I base no judgment of Miller upon any of those unknowable things.

    But there is something out there that we can all know -- Miller's very public after-the-fact reaction to all of it. His reaction to this life-ending horrific event.

    His cold, public reaction has been indifference bordering upon smugness (perhaps even a perverse celebration).

    For that reason alone, I hope Miller is never a member of our Spurs.
    You're right, and not defending the guy in a vacuum, but I'd just moderate that by saying he's still a 20 young guy in a middle of a public and mediatic storm... Everybody is different and I'm not sure we can clearly analyse his reaction as far as defining the guy personality... There's what people project and what they think or who they are... There might be some fear, self defense, disorientation then trying to show a strong face, or he may indeed not give a , as you said...

    That's why psychologist exist I suppose, but from what last mock drafts indicate his value doesn't seem to be affected by the events (maybe people have more info) and as I previoulsy said, I'm not sure Wright care either. Miller has been my guy for weeks but I'm happy I'm not the guy who would have to make the decision.

    That being said, if he's indeed a spur, fans will probably just embrace him.

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    Or WORSE: we pick after Wemby & Scoot are gone, he's available and we pass for this issue alone. That could really haunt us for a decade or more, Scola & Sengun meltdowns could look like a joke in retrospect.

    Don't get me wrong, I do share Russ' view mostly, the pat down act after the fact is quite telling even if he's innocent, but I also don't want to have those what ifs hanging over my head for years and years.
    The problem is, the same factors that led to that behavior might lead him to leave the Spurs if and when he has the chance.

    That's the problem (you can't just stick your head in the ground and feel sorry for everyone else and say it won't happen to you).

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    This sub will melt if spurs take this dude at 3
    The team seems to value high character, good guys who like each other. They may draft a gangbanger. We don't know.

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    The team seems to value high character, good guys who like each other. They may draft a gangbanger. We don't know.
    They did. We know.

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    The problem is, the same factors that led to that behavior might lead him to leave the Spurs if and when he has the chance.

    That's the problem (you can't just stick your head in the ground and feel sorry for everyone else and say it won't happen to you).
    Nah, that's not it. That can happen with anyone, including Wembanyama and ESPECIALLY Scoot. But I do think the possibility of him being linked to this or another future incident with the law (even if it's not any more likely than with several other players) and having the Spurs' name dragged through the mud will give PATFO reason enough to avoid him, more so after the whole Primo ordeal. That's the scenario they'd like to avoid the most IMO, not him leaving in free agency or anything of the like.

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    For s sake, terrible people have been incredibly good at basketball do you want to take BPA or find a boyfriend for your daughter? Miller will go second to 4rth. Its easier to replace a coach than elite talent. And a homie that brings you gun might be the sociopath the team needs. We for sure dont need raw talents that take 5 years to contribute.

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    They did. We know.
    Which gangbanger did the Spurs draft?

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    For s sake, terrible people have been incredibly good at basketball do you want to take BPA or find a boyfriend for your daughter? Miller will go second to 4rth. Its easier to replace a coach than elite talent. And a homie that brings you gun might be the sociopath the team needs. We for sure dont need raw talents that take 5 years to contribute.
    Draft a player who will rip apart the team and/or get in trouble with the law because he's either a violent asshole or a trusting idiot who makes bad friends?

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    Which gangbanger did the Spurs draft?

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    Which gangbanger did the Spurs draft?
    Pick #29, 2016 draft. I don’t believe he was tied to any murders, though.

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    A gangbanger and a sexual predator

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    If we're being honest, it wasn't the same situation. Dejounte's history was more of a result of his family, he was a young child when he went through his worst years and when he grew up indications were he was trying to get away from the family business. So he was worth a shot... pun intended.

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    A bit off topic and may have been mentioned. Did BM redshirt his freshman year? A 20 year old freshman is odd. Not old by any means at 21 years old this November. A 18 or 19 year old freshman sounds a bit more appealing.

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