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There is no finagling going to happen. You aren't getting something of value in a trade without giving up something of value.
Wouldn’t be sad about selling 41 for a better quality pick in the future, but 33 is basically a late FRP already. Don’t trade that one.
There is no finagling going to happen. You aren't getting something of value in a trade without giving up something of value.
You’re pretty thick, so I’ll explain it to you. When I refer to us, Orlando, and Chicago, I’m talking about trading back from either 2 or 3, one lottery pick for two. That doesn’t involve future assets. Get it? It also leaves that lightly protected Toronto pick in our pocket.
Not every draft has a franchise player if you keep rolling the dice then you will forever be wasting draft. We need to set a good base so that a franchise player comes along we can quickly becomes a compe ive team like w did with Duncan else even when we get a franchise player we will get nowhere like the Cavs with lebron first time round and now Mavs with Lucas..
Not a clear one, but if you just draft only role players, you’ll never get one. You’re also wrong about the Spurs only drafting guys who need the ball in their hands. Of the five FRPs on our squad, only Wesley was a high usage player in college. No one else had a USG% over 25, and the only one close to that was Malaki at around 24. The other three were around 20.
You just over simplified it using USG% for example KJ might be in the low 20% in USG but nowadays if he doesn't have the ball he doesn't really effect the game, low rebounds, no spacing feeble defensive, he doesn't even create or run into space.
He’s clearly shown in his first 3 years that he can effectively play off of a primary ball handler, first DeRozan, then Dejounte. So, you’re using one failed season when he’s being asked to do way too much to debunk the entire USG% stat. Good job, dude. Ride that exception hard.
Dragging this back after seeing more of Barlow and Champagnie coming on.
The team now has five rookies and two second-year players to consider going into the summer.
Rookies
Sochan
Branham
Wesley
Barlow
Champagnie
Sop res
Bassey
Mamukelashvili
It's not too controversial to say the FO has made some nice acquisitions from Eastern Conference teams dumping players. At this point I'd be surprised if any of the players listed above is not on the squad next November. I know some would debate Wesley's inclusion, but he's young, only a rookie, and has characteristics that are hard to find.
So... this means the team will have seven players straight-away who have not played much, are still growing, and very nicely have very different skill-sets. In fact, the only real overlap I see among them is that Sochan and Mamu are swift, good-handling PFs who can facilitate in transition and possibly halfcourt sets. That's only a good thing.
Which leads us to this draft. I am still of the mind that the team should look to come away with two good rookie prospects, whether Wembanyama is one of them or not. The lottery pick will likely be BPA, although there's debate about who this means. I feel like the second pick may be more targeted to a position/type, since there will be some variety available.
But we are approaching the problem of potentially cannibalizing the development of existing players. Like, I would not take a Jarace Walker if it means stunting the growth of Sochan (probably unlikely). I was once keen on Trayce Jackson-Davis, but he now feels redundant with the young big corps we already have.
In the case of Jarace Walker, I wouldn't say he cannibalizes the development of Sochan, so much as we couldn't get the most out of both of them. Walker is probably a very heavy 6'7", in the NBA that will likely translate to an undersized 5 or 4. He can hit it from outside somewhat, but I'm not sure he'll be everything he's expected defending on the perimeter with the more agile NBA wings. I can see him as a 5 alongside Sochan on some small ball lineups, but both of them together plus a center, I'm not so sure about. So picking up Walker when we have a better prospect already on the roster whose minutes compete with him, doesn't sound like the best use of such a high pick. I think this is a bigger problem than the overlap between Cam Whitmore and Keldon Johnson, which IMO isn't such since I see Cam as the far higher upside prospect, and if things go right Keldon can eventually come off the bench or be moved to balance the roster. Same considerations could be made about any prospect we draft, other than at PG or C.
At the moment, I'm leaning towards something like this:
1) Wemby
2/3) If we're keeping the pick, whichever performs better on workouts + interviews / they like better out of Scoot & Brandon Miller. But if some team is desperate and wants to move up and we get a good enough pick to get Cam Whitmore + something nice (additional lottery pick whether current or future / good prospect) I'm ok with it as well.
4-7) Cam Whitmore if available: highest upside with high floor, super young and athletic, the rest you figure out later. If unavailable, my next candidates are Anthony Black, Hendricks -you were right, I checked him out further and he's a solid 3&D prospect already with the potential to be more than that, I like him- and Jarace Walker. But I'd also be open to trading down, as long we get one of the 3 + future pick/good prospect.
Champagnie: supposedly has the single game scoring record for a Two Way contract player. Nice.
This thread continues to deliver. Great stuff.
I’m not concerned about cannibalizing. Even if the spurs land Wemby next year will still likely be a down year again, so it’s about finding as much talent as possible from every corner of the league as possible. The upshot of building a stable is that, if you can’t keep a Bassey or Barlow long term, the good players become valuable small add ins in bigger trades later.
For me the biggest question heading into next year is Keldon’s future. I think he’s on the clock starting this summer, as much as a love him. I suppose it all depends what happens in the draft, and whether the Spurs really think Sochan at PG is a viable long term thing.
Last edited by CGD; 04-05-2023 at 07:31 AM.
Yeah, with Keldon it feels like they tried Skinny Keldon to see if he could guard smaller players but by the end he bulked back up to Big Body and seemed to feel more confident perhaps? He could still be a solid complementary piece, or he might be traded if/when we don’t get Wemby.
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