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    I don't think this has something to do where he is from. It is mostly because there are death threats on him for his participation in the shooting. I think it was mentioned he is under heavy security.

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    It sounds true to me. A lot of crazies with guns in San Antonio.
    Try living in Chicago..lol

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    spurs can't win-they draft him and one side will argue that they enabled an accomplice to murder (no matter how the actual facts play out), or they pass on him and are seen as just one more party given to passing judgement on a young Black man.
    All unimportantif we landWembanyama

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    Correct. It’s a no win.

    When a black man passes a gun to a friend it’s accomplice to murder.

    When a white man passes a gun to a friend it’s because he needed the gun for self defense.
    True. But when a person passes a gun to a friend that uses said weapon to murder someone else, that person may or may not have partial responsibility depending on why the gun was transferred. What did he know of the backstory? Does someone not have a moral obligationto be crystal clear of the intended use of the person to whom you give a gun?

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    True. But when a person passes a gun to a friend that uses said weapon to murder someone else, that person may or may not have partial responsibility depending on why the gun was transferred. What did he know of the backstory? Does someone not have a moral obligationto be crystal clear of the intended use of the person to whom you give a gun?
    He didn’t pass the gun to someone who committed murder. That person is Miles and he was charged. He gave the gun to Miles who then gave it to the murderer.

    In its most simplistic form. Miller handed the gun to Miles for “self defense”. Miller had no knowledge of what it would be used for. Miles then handed the gun to the shooter who killed the girl.

    Being that Miles was charged it appears that the distinction is that 1 degree of separation. Considering they pulled the texts and the exchange between Miles and Miller have no indication of intent.

    The way the law is written also protected Miller from being charged.

    The more information that comes out the more it looks like Miller truly didn’t know.

    We can argue that even having the gun and passing it off at that hour speaks to questionable judgment but I’ve been to a ton of redneck gun nutter parties where guns are exchanged and fired all hours if the night. So at the very least he should be afforded the same protective assumptions given to “good white guys with guns”.

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    He didn’t pass the gun to someone who committed murder. That person is Miles and he was charged. He gave the gun to Miles who then gave it to the murderer.

    In its most simplistic form. Miller handed the gun to Miles for “self defense”. Miller had no knowledge of what it would be used for. Miles then handed the gun to the shooter who killed the girl.

    Being that Miles was charged it appears that the distinction is that 1 degree of separation. Considering they pulled the texts and the exchange between Miles and Miller have no indication of intent.

    The way the law is written also protected Miller from being charged.

    The more information that comes out the more it looks like Miller truly didn’t know.

    We can argue that even having the gun and passing it off at that hour speaks to questionable judgment but I’ve been to a ton of redneck gun nutter parties where guns are exchanged and fired all hours if the night. So at the very least he should be afforded the same protective assumptions given to “good white guys with guns”.
    Also, according to testimony Miller did not handle the gun. When Miller returned to the area where Miles and Davis were it was Miles who told Davis the gun was in the back seat and that it was loaded. The only thing Miles texted Miller was that he needed his gun back because someone was “faking”, or threatening them. That’s why Miller wasn’t charged with a crime. No intent could be proven.

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    Posted this in another thread. The most details thus far of the incident. It looks like Miller is largely owed apologies. https://patch.com/alabama/tuscaloosa...ps-murder-case

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    Also, according to testimony Miller did not handle the gun. When Miller returned to the area where Miles and Davis were it was Miles who told Davis the gun was in the back seat and that it was loaded. The only thing Miles texted Miller was that he needed his gun back because someone was “faking”, or threatening them. That’s why Miller wasn’t charged with a crime. No intent could be proven.
    But this is the problem with gun culture. The thing has a purpose and that purpose all too often ends with the taking of a life when discharged. At some point a weapon registered under one person has to be held accountable to some degree or another. He's not the guy that was originally portrayed but hes also a guy that had a gun used in the commissionof an alleged murder. Theres a life that might still be atound if Miller didnt own a gun, or lend it to someone seemingly so easily.

    I just wish these kids would stop arming themselves.

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    But this is the problem with gun culture. The thing has a purpose and that purpose all too often ends with the taking of a life when discharged. At some point a weapon registered under one person has to be held accountable to some degree or another. He's not the guy that was originally portrayed but hes also a guy that had a gun used in the commissionof an alleged murder. Theres a life that might still be atound if Miller didnt own a gun, or lend it to someone seemingly so easily.

    I just wish these kids would stop arming themselves.
    The weapon is not registered to Miller and while he did transport the gun it was apparently owned by Miles so what you’re advocating for is what the court actually decided. Miles lent the weapon to Davis and both are being charged. The media isn’t really stating the obvious but Miles left the gun in Miller’s car when he got dropped off to party with Davis.

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    The weapon is not registered to Miller and while he did transport the gun it was apparently owned by Miles so what you’re advocating for is what the court actually decided. Miles lent the weapon to Davis and both are being charged. The media isn’t really stating the obvious but Miles left the gun in Miller’s car when he got dropped off to party with Davis.
    Hmmm. That's news to me. Was under the impression from all prior reports ir was Miller's gun. Would greatly reduce the moral responsibilities on him if it wasn't him. Hoping for his sake AND the Spurs if they get the 2nd pick so there's ZERO hesitation in selecting the dude if they see him as that guy aside from Wembanyama.

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    Hmmm. That's news to me. Was under the impression from all prior reports ir was Miller's gun. Would greatly reduce the moral responsibilities on him if it wasn't him. Hoping for his sake AND the Spurs if they get the 2nd pick so there's ZERO hesitation in selecting the dude if they see him as that guy aside from Wembanyama.
    Read the link I posted above. It’s the first actual journalism I’ve seen on the topic.

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    So Ghost Writer never left.

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    So Ghost Writer never left.
    Well, we know the Spurs don't like those headbands. GW argued that point quite well.

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