Woj: Zach Collins Agrees to 3-Yr, $22M Deal with Spurs

[Leetonidas]

^Yes because you totally didn't lose your responding to everyone who doubted one of your takes - which are typically nothing more than homer, FO slurping drivel. Congrats. The sun shined on your dog ass for once.

good times

[JPB]

Lol entertaining to read the first 10 pages

Not so much the last ones.

[exstatic]

part of the frustration was at that time, we still had DeJounte/White and the thought was we'd be trying to build a team with them in mind. john collins was on most people's wish list, and instead we grabbed a broken center who wouldnt be able to contribute that year on a relatively rich deal given his production to date + injury history. but a big part of why the spurs brought along zollins was that they got him on a 3 year deal with little guarantees, such that they knew they were playing the long game with him. its paid off, especially when factoring in that we blew it up following that offseason

$7M a year isn’t and hasn’t been a rich deal in a decade.

[Atl Spur]

Zach out here serving Crowe Two bad feet and all….

[Atl Spur]

$7M a year isn’t and hasn’t been a rich deal in a decade.

Everyone with a brain knew this was low risk high reward situation. Only a few “smart” guys over analyzed the move as usual.

[The Truth #6]

The fact that Zollins has been a success lately is probably just statistical luck combined with not being around the Portland medical staff. I’m happy he’s doing well recently, in part from Yak leaving to give more opportunity and also a tank season where he isn’t having to play huge minutes.

Nobody wanted him and we could have had him even cheaper. That’s still true.

But happy for him. Nothing against him. But the direction this thread has turned seems kind of silly.

[spurraider21]

$7M a year isn’t and hasn’t been a rich deal in a decade.

its all relative for a player of his caliber/condition coming to be a reserve for jak, it was.

[exstatic]

its all relative for a player of his caliber/condition coming to be a reserve for jak, it was.

He was a lottery pick center. That $7M was what he would have made that year, if not injured. Portland didn't want to let him go, but they were in a tax crunch.

The reality is that they might have gotten him cheaper, but squeezing people like that on salary sows resentment. If we had offered him, say, $4M/yr, there would be no way he would come back on any kind of friendly deal. By offering him his QO over multiple years, plus protecting ourselves with the 50% guarantee, everyone wins and everyone is happy going forward.

[spurraider21]

He was a lottery pick center. That $7M was what he would have made that year, if not injured. Portland didn't want to let him go, but they were in a tax crunch.

The reality is that they might have gotten him cheaper, but squeezing people like that on salary sows resentment. If we had offered him, say, $4M/yr, there would be no way he would come back on any kind of friendly deal. By offering him his QO over multiple years, plus protecting ourselves with the 50% guarantee, everyone wins and everyone is happy going forward.

there are a lot of former lottery picks who dont play well and get injured and then dont get paid that well while still hurt

[Atl Spur]

The fact that Zollins has been a success lately is probably just statistical luck combined with not being around the Portland medical staff. I’m happy he’s doing well recently, in part from Yak leaving to give more opportunity and also a tank season where he isn’t having to play huge minutes.

Nobody wanted him and we could have had him even cheaper. That’s still true.

But happy for him. Nothing against him. But the direction this thread has turned seems kind of silly.

Dudes just be making things up on this board…….
No one wanted him? You know this how? I believed then he was a lotto ticket like signing; 7 million was nothing to hand wring over in nba terms.

[Atl Spur]

https://ripcityproject.com/2021/08/0...ollins-10/amp/

[DPG21920]

I’ll say, and I have said before, Wright has earned my trust. There was a time where IMO it was warranted to question the FO. They were pretty terrible in a lot of ways. But the big lesson I learned via deals like Zach and other types of moves? It’s not just about missing out on things that should upset you and be ONLY focus. For all their major issues I had with the FO this journey last 5 years or so, they never made “THE BIG” mistake.

There’s something to be said for that. It’s one thing to think they should be more decisive or that they should have made moves and could have done better. Thats still all true. But as long as you dont make the “big” mistakes? Nothing cant be undone even if its not on timeline you hoped.

So lesson there for me personally.

[Ariel]

But the big lesson I learned via deals like Zach and other types of moves? It’s not just about missing out on things that should upset you and be ONLY focus. For all their major issues I had with the FO this journey last 5 years or so, they never made “THE BIG” mistake.

There’s something to be said for that. It’s one thing to think they should be more decisive or that they should have made moves and could have done better. Thats still all true. But as long as you dont make the “big” mistakes? Nothing cant be undone even if its not on timeline you hoped.

So lesson there for me personally.

It's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that riding the corpse of what used to be a winning horse for as long as they did actually IS a big mistake. After all, whether actively or passively, mistakes equate to time lost, and the Spurs could have easily started the process 4 years earlier had they embraced their new reality (post Leonard) instead of pretending nothing had changed and the same formula that worked before could apply in radically different cir stances. I will agree though that pretty much every move in the past year and a half has been good to excellent... but one thing doesn't exclude the other.

[DPG21920]

It's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that riding the corpse of what used to be a winning horse for as long as they did actually IS a big mistake. After all, whether actively or passively, mistakes equate to time lost, and the Spurs could have easily started the process 4 years earlier had they embraced their new reality (post Leonard) instead of pretending nothing had changed and the same formula that worked before could apply in radically different cir stances. I will agree though that pretty much every move in the past year and a half has been good to excellent... but one thing doesn't exclude the other.

Wont say it excludes it; they were valid and fair criticisms at the time. Just saying it’s not end of world big picture.

[offset formation]

How true the bold turned out lol…I was good with Zach once contract details came out. But Im legit shocked at how productive hes been. Far exceeded the potential upside I thought may exist

His much larger offensive upside and ability to extend the floor for himself and others makes him a net positive over Poeltl. Plus he brings a nasty that Poeltl never did. For me it was a no Brainerd to increase his minutes by trading Poeltl and simultaneously saving cap space by not extending Poeltl at $15-18 million.

[JPB]

It's a matter of perspective. I'd argue that riding the corpse of what used to be a winning horse for as long as they did actually IS a big mistake. After all, whether actively or passively, mistakes equate to time lost, and the Spurs could have easily started the process 4 years earlier had they embraced their new reality (post Leonard) instead of pretending nothing had changed and the same formula that worked before could apply in radically different cir stances. I will agree though that pretty much every move in the past year and a half has been good to excellent... but one thing doesn't exclude the other.

In a vacuum maybe but it was "psychologically" hard for everyone, fans included, to brutally go from the gold standard of the NBA for 20 years to the trash. Too big of an abyss and like it was needing a time of transition then acceptation, not to waste and brutally erase all these years of glory.

[The Truth #6]

Dudes just be making things up on this board…….
No one wanted him? You know this how? I believed then he was a lotto ticket like signing; 7 million was nothing to hand wring over in nba terms.

No one wanted him at that price is more accurate. That’s a good article you posted and I will admit I didn’t know of three other teams. My bad. But the article also suggests minimum salary or up to $5 million/year is what to expect. So, the truth ended up being somewhere in the middle: other teams were likely interested but we outbid. Regardless, I still think this thread is taking a weird direction. Signing him was a roll of the dice. We thankfully got lucky. I think it’s more about the hard work of our rehab staff than any genius move, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Wright, in fact, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

[Atl Spur]

No one wanted him at that price is more accurate. That’s a good article you posted and I will admit I didn’t know of three other teams. My bad. But the article also suggests minimum salary or up to $5 million/year is what to expect. So, the truth ended up being somewhere in the middle: other teams were likely interested but we outbid. Regardless, I still think this thread is taking a weird direction. Signing him was a roll of the dice. We thankfully got lucky. I think it’s more about the hard work of our rehab staff than any genius move, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Wright, in fact, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

Cool. I was just speaking to debunk a narrative here on spurs talk I believe his option was was 7 million or so ( Portland didn’t pick it up of course). I actually liked him in college but we were way to good back then to have a shot at him. Be easy champ!

[exstatic]

No one wanted him at that price is more accurate. That’s a good article you posted and I will admit I didn’t know of three other teams. My bad. But the article also suggests minimum salary or up to $5 million/year is what to expect. So, the truth ended up being somewhere in the middle: other teams were likely interested but we outbid. Regardless, I still think this thread is taking a weird direction. Signing him was a roll of the dice. We thankfully got lucky. I think it’s more about the hard work of our rehab staff than any genius move, but that doesn’t mean I dislike Wright, in fact, I think he’s doing a pretty good job.

If he had busted out or not healed, the three year cost would have been about $3.5M/yr. Creative financing, FTW.

[Sugus]

Congrats. You finally got something right. It's a big day for you.

It's about you getting it confidently wrong, once again, more than me being right in this case. I could care less about "getting my flowers", but I wouldn't pass the chance to remind you of your terrible takes.

And at "finally", care to dig up the Poeltl threads? Or pretty much anything you've said regarding Mr Wrong and the rebuilding Spurs. Lotta have you flung, little has it stuck. But the wall's all dirty...

[Atl Spur]

It's about you getting it confidently wrong, once again, more than me being right in this case. I could care less about "getting my flowers", but I wouldn't pass the chance to remind you of your terrible takes.

And at "finally", care to dig up the Poeltl threads? Or pretty much anything you've said regarding Mr Wrong and the rebuilding Spurs. Lotta have you flung, little has it stuck. But the wall's all dirty...

Damn……… I just heard “Finish Him”! He’s not going to post here anymore if you keep this up!!! Lol

[RC_Drunkford]

he is what he is on defense. hes just ok. not an imposing presence, but mobile enough to have some impact that way. and he's ok on the boards. biggest area of emphasis for him on defense is just avoiding dumb fouls. over the course of the season, his fouls/36 is the highest of his career (over 5). tho in 7 games in march, despite averaging over 29 minutes per game, hes only been committing 2.7 fouls per game. thats the lowest of any monthly average this year, despite by far being the most minutes per game

yeah he has always been foul prone. I hope he can still improve when it comes to protecting the rim though

[J_Paco]

The fact that Zollins has been a success lately is probably just statistical luck combined with not being around the Portland medical staff. I’m happy he’s doing well recently, in part from Yak leaving to give more opportunity and also a tank season where he isn’t having to play huge minutes.

Nobody wanted him and we could have had him even cheaper. That’s still true.

But happy for him. Nothing against him. But the direction this thread has turned seems kind of silly.

How are both things "true" if neither is actually what happened. Yes, he is/was a bit of a reclamation project but he had shown enough flashes that it garnered him a $7 million per year deal.

The questions with Zach were if he could remain healthy (check, so far) and how much athleticism had he lost from all the lower-body procedures (check, not a lot).

He's never gonna live up to his 10th pick, but he's shown that he can play well when healthy.

(Side-note: His antics aren't as severe or reckless, but he reminds me of a poor man's Bill Laimbeer. He's a real irritant on the basketball court and playing against him with Sochan must be a bit annoying.)

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Obviously was worth the risk. And $22MM over three years isn't a huge gamble in today's NBA.

[ace3g]