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China: No.
Now what?
Not only was your study misleading but also the scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAIDIf "several experts said the claim were misleading," your conspiracy theory must be right.
Keep rage posting, idiot!
You still haven't said how you came to this conclusion. So embarrassed you are forced to ignore and deflect...poor fella.
China: No.
Now what?
I thought you were joking.Not only was your study misleading but also the scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID
You still haven't said how you came to this conclusion. So embarrassed you are forced to ignore and deflect...poor fella.
Do you not understand what calling it a zoonotic virus means?
Jesus Christ you are an idiot.
They found racoon-dog DNA in samples. Not just that there were racoon-dogs in the market
Genetic Evidence Ties Covid’s Origin to Raccoon Dogs
New data support the theory that the virus causing Covid-19 first spread to humans from animals
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ogs-180981846/
many 100Ks of manslaughter by Trash and his mafiya
‘We Were Helpless’:
Despair at the C.D.C. as the Pandemic Erupted
Current and former employees recall rising desperation as Trump administration officials squelched research into the new coronavirus.
All through February 2020, agency scientists had been gathering evidence that
the new coronavirus was being spread by people without symptoms.
In early March, the C.D.C. said that any employee who had been deployed elsewhere to track Covid-19 must isolate at home for 14 days, whether or not he or she had symptoms.
C.D.C. leaders realized that the virus was being spread not just by people who were coughing and sneezing,
but also by people who were not visibly ill. But the agency had not yet warned the public.
“All of us knew tens of thousands were going to die, and we were helpless to stop it,”
said Dr. Daniel Wozniczka, one of the trainees.
“It was really heartbreaking and difficult on a psychological level not to be able to do anything.”
It is generally known that morale at the C.D.C. plummeted as Trump administration officials sought to squelch dissent among career scientists who disagreed with the White House’s handling of the pandemic.
Interviews with 11 current and former agency employees, ... portray
an agency under intense pressure from the country’s political leaders.
Some younger staff members wrestled with
guilt, anger and a rising sense of powerlessness as administration officials meddled with or simply disregarded important scientific research.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/h...covid-cdc.html
You constantly project, idiot.
What evidence from the article you linked supports this claim. You've repeatedly failed to support your claim. Time to man up nut.
You want me to spoon feed you on what zoonotic virus means and that the researchers called it zoonotic?
From the researchers, had you bothered to read:
"Well, first, I’d like to just say that even before these data came out, the preponderance of scientific evidence (unlike posted by QTSA - for emphasis) has pointed to a natural zoonotic spillover [an animal disease jumping into humans] for quite some time. These new data are entirely consistent with that scenario. Now, what’s important here is that I think it’s a mischaracterization to say that these sequences show that raccoon dogs, or any other mammal host species, were infected with these viruses because all we’re showing is co-occurrence of genetic material from host environments. It’s not the same as swabbing a raccoon dog. And it’s not the same as watching a raccoon dog transmit a virus to a human—something, of course, we never see. We never get that level of evidence. But first and foremost, this is forensic evidence that these putative host animals were present at the market. There’s no more question about that. And they were there in the same place as the virus.
Now, clearly, some of these environmental samples have the virus in them because of infected humans. But it strains the imagination to say it was only humans who were depositing this virus all over places where susceptible hosts were and that this is just humans giving it to animals. Given everything else we know about the early days of COVID and everything we know about zoonotic viruses, this fits.
Is this going to put the lab-leak conspiracy to bed? No. Nothing will ever do that. But I think this should help convince more reasonable scientists (but never posters like QTSA who are still looking for hillary's emails and a basement at CometPizza). "
So off, idiot.
Nothing you just quoted and nothing in their entire study backs your definitive claim that the virus was not engineered. Nothing.
The big find of the study?!?!OMG WHAT A REVELATION THIS CHANGES EVERYTHINGBut first and foremost, this is forensic evidence that these putative host animals were present at the market. There’s no more question about that. And they were there in the same place as the virus.
Not only was your study misleading but also the unethical scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID.
So nut, why are you pushing a study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
It’s not even a pre-print
That's a claim that will need to be substantiated, which it hasn't yet. Viruses developing new features is nothing certainly new, and I'm pretty sure you're cognizant of that.
We find viruses with features we haven't seen before all the time, and the vast majority of time is indeed zoonotic, so yes, the better odds are zoonotic until proven otherwise.
You got your pushed in and can only lash out, “not definitive.” That the best you can do?Nothing you just quoted and nothing in their entire study backs your definitive claim that the virus was not engineered. Nothing.
The big find of the study?!?! OMG WHAT A REVELATION THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Not only was your study misleading but also the unethical scientists involved violated the terms of use of the database and got kicked off GISAID.
So nut, why are you pushing a study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
Brilliant, why not just scream “Stop the Steal,” “Hugo Chavez Servers in Germany,” or “CometPizza.”
Cling to your conspiracies until your dying days if you wish. Am sure your family will enjoy your final words, “Her Emails, Her Emails.”
Idiot.
He did a fine job. marginalized least likely scenarios is how it’s done.
We still need more info from the Chinese concerning the SPREAD in China after people in China were ALREADY getting very sick.
the epidemiology of the spread will be the most important information.
Sorry you did not get a pizza delivery for an incredibly efficient spreading virus genetically engineered by the Chinese and purposely released. How the did the Chinese now how to manipulate the genes properly so it would spread so incredibly in the air.
What part of the sequence was manipulated and how did this exact manipulation cause such an efficient spread. And how did they know it would work so well? Where are the experiments that the Chinese did that allowed them to know this would be global?
Good God they are soooooo far ahead of us in viral manipulation! They know what works, no need to rely on natural selection! Poof!
Last edited by pgardn; 03-21-2023 at 06:07 PM.
He has been told the same thing over and over.
You see species have not evolved new features. They are produced magically by God and bad men of our choosing.
Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw.
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
Karrin is a trip, man
Don't educate yourself about Boston University whatever you do.Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw.
You said it's the sniffles.Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
COVID bad now?
You completely forgot the Fox “scientist” that said the virus was purposely released.Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw.
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
You said you had never seen such a claim and then PROMPTLY shut up.
You might need to bow out again. Go back and read it again.
I am telling you many Trumpsters are still making this claim. You need to do rehab on them Dr. D.
Tell them about the havoc it would reek with their own people and your dog, BEFORE the variant was even supposedly produced.
Last edited by pgardn; 03-22-2023 at 08:17 AM.
Tell me how this cleavage site improves the ability of the virus to remain suspended in the air in large numbers. Are you saying the Chinese knew this site would improve the ability of the ability to become airborne? If not tell us how this cleavage site improves the ability to do what? The virus was already out and about by this time IN China. For a good while. It is much more likely that the mutated site found in patients AT A LATER DATE was a product of MUTATION and natural selection. There are all sorts of variants less frequently found in nature have these types of mutations.
Furthermore, researchers are human. If they get a big shout out “it’s possible” (although highly improbable) garners more attention. (And funding) Science is boring when a paper is presented that says very likely mutations and natural selection (evolution). That’s boring. You want headlines. When the blue team is deemed to throw out to see if it will stick, you turn into NO SENSATIONALISM Dr. D. “The virus is a mere cold. No worries”
Now it’s become a monster created in a labAnd yes, your team still puts purposely let out. Deal with them Big D.
Last edited by pgardn; 03-22-2023 at 08:22 AM.
An informed take, but not peer-reviewed science. Again. Part of pattern in conspiracy theories.
If the author is confident of his conclusions, he should be publishing in a journal.
If I had a nickel for every time I have looked into theories here of people claiming "facts" around something controversial, and found no peer reviewed science to back it up...
Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence.
Sadly as several of these links have noted, the Chinese government itself hinders our ability to study this to the level we would need to in order to establish this as a fact.
Until then, it is a hypothesis, and a good one.
But not something I would take for truth. The burden of proof has not been met.
but can you take its temperature in another room?Lab leak/escape are accidents. If my dog escapes from my yard, I didn't purposely release him. Why would they purposely release a virus on a city with 11M people? Great place to conduct GOF research, btw.
Add a furin cleavage site that binds to ACE2 in humanized mice.
The author is publishing. Pre-print I linked earlier.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...10.18.512756v1
The burden of proof has not been met but the evidence coming out now is strongly pointing to a lab leak. Even a majority of democrats think it's true or probably true it leaked from a lab. I'm in that camp as well. I am not in the camp that thinks it was released on purpose.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/poli...vid-origin-lab
The group of researchers now that keep pushing zoonotic origin are a small but vocal group. The latest push with the ty racoon dog study that got them kicked off of GISAID for violating the terms of service was pathetic. They purposely rushed to release the report to get ahead of the Gao pre-print that was going to be released to the public. Absolutely disgusting behavior by them and shame on the Atlantic for helping the push the story.
Last edited by TSA; 03-22-2023 at 12:54 PM.
Question pending nut. Why are you pushing a study from unethical researchers that was immediately shredded when finally released to the public?
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