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    oh, you think it's just and right that people should be shaped by and adhere to, the prerogatives of their employer.

    That's freedom, that's the real, European style autonomy and freedom.

    The West is driving autonomy and freedom. Do you have an anchor/standard? Without drifting into the abyss.

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    Obeisance to the majority is liberty.

    Hilarious, dude.
    Haha this isn't the Middle East. I am supporting passing down success. A standard.

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    The West is driving autonomy and freedom. Do you have an anchor/standard? Without drifting into the abyss.
    Unpack this, please, your statement is wholly diffuse. Buzzword salad.

    What is the West?

    What is freedom, and how does the so-called West drive it? And why does no one else get a say?

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    Haha this isn't the Middle East. I am supporting passing down success. A standard.
    What success? What standard?

    You're spitting unqualified abstractions.

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    Face it, dude, you can't even say what you mean.

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    Unpack this, please, your statement is wholly diffuse. Buzzword salad.

    What is the West? - Europe, North America & Australia

    What is freedom, and how does the so-called West drive it? And why does no one else get a say? - I'm speaking bout the Worlds continents. Again Macro.
    Europe and its Western hemisphere child enjoy the most freedoms today.

    Are you dissatisfied by the freedoms in comparison to the World in 2023?

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    What success? What standard?

    You're spitting unqualified abstractions.
    Number of visas requested & overall immigrants.

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    Face it, dude, you can't even say what you mean.
    Ask a direct question, as you finally did and I will answer it honestly and thoughtful.

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    So then, the West is Europe plus the Anglosphere.

    What is the standard?

    What is freedom, as you define it?

    How does the West drive it?

    Why is nothing else worthy to be considered?

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    Ask a direct question, as you finally did and I will answer it honestly and thoughtful.
    You've ducked a dozen or so direct questions.

    Keep going, you're doing great!


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    Number of visas requested & overall immigrants.
    so then, immigrants determine who's the best?

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    So then, the West is Europe plus the Anglosphere.
    Yes.
    What is the standard?
    Living standard. Individual freedoms. Right to observe other cultures. These 3 the West is best.
    What is freedom, as you define it?
    Freedom is choice.
    How does the West drive it?
    It still has the most and it continues to reinvent/challenge the before mentioned standard.
    Why is nothing else worthy to be considered?
    Non-West? Ofcourse i mean before this War I'd argue my Polska was straddling the fence of West/East.
    My priorities & initiatives differ for Poland and United States

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    Basically, you're saying economic might determines freedom and cultural worth. Sounds like an idol of the marketplace, gross ac ulation.

    Odd you should take that as a marker of virtue and humanitarianism. The sharpest trader isn't necessarily a moral exemplar, nor is the society he creates the one most conducive to personal liberty, or the most worthy to be emulated, unless you think man is meant to serve money and not the reverse.

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    Basically, you're saying economic might determines freedom and cultural worth. Sounds like an idol of the marketplace, gross ac ulation.

    Odd you should take that as a marker of virtue and humanitarianism. The sharpest trader isn't necessarily a moral exemplar, nor is the society he creates the one most conducive to personal liberty, or the most worthy to be emulated, unless you think man is meant to serve money and not the reverse.
    The richest nations don't necessarily have the best living standards. West straddles the fence of personal freedom & safety net. In the scope of the West, nations with less individualism have more state protection.
    Last edited by FrostKing; 03-27-2023 at 05:21 AM.

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    Parents in America seem overwhelmed.
    You mean, like this?

    Is ‘David’ porn? See for yourself, Italians ask Florida parents
    The incredulous Italian response highlights how the U.S. culture wars are often perceived in Europe.

    ROME — The Florence museum housing Michelangelo’s Renaissance masterpiece the “David” invited parents and students from a Florida charter school to visit after complaints about a lesson featuring the statue forced the principal to resign.

    Florence Mayor Dario Nardella also tweeted an invitation for the principal to visit so he can personally honor her. Confusing art with pornography was “ridiculous,” Nardella said.

    The incredulous Italian response highlights how the U.S. culture wars are often perceived in Europe, where despite a rise in right-wing sentiment and governance, the Renaissance and its masterpieces, even its naked ones, are generally free of controversy.

    But the board of the Tallahassee Classical School pressured Principal Hope Carrasquilla to resign last week after an image of the “David” was shown to a sixth-grade art class. The school has a policy requiring parents to be notified in advance about “controversial” topics being taught.

    Carrasquilla believes the board targeted her after three parents complained about a lesson including a photo of the “David,” a 17-foot nude marble sculpture dating from 1504. The work, considered a masterpiece of the Italian Renaissance, depicts the Biblical David going to fight Goliath armed only with his faith in God.

    Carrasquilla has said two parents complained because they weren’t notified in advance that a nude would be shown, while a third called the iconic statue pornographic.

    Carrasquilla said in a phone interview Sunday that she is “very honored” by the invitations to Italy and she may accept.

    “I am totally, like, wow,” Carasquilla said. “I’ve been to Florence before and have seen the ‘David’ up close and in person, but I would love to go and be a guest of the mayor.”

    Cecilie Hollberg, director of the Galleria dell’Accademia, where the “David” resides, expressed astonishment at the controversy.

    “To think that ‘David’ could be pornographic means truly not understanding the contents of the Bible, not understanding Western culture and not understanding Renaissance art,” Hollberg said in a telephone interview.

    She invited the principal, school board, parents and student body to view the “purity” of the statue.

    Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum.

    About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old ins ution, which is now on its third principal. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan frequently consulted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on educational issues.

    Barney Bishop, chairman of Tallahassee Classical’s school board, has told reporters that while the photo of the statue played a part in Carrasquilla’s ouster, it wasn’t the only factor. He has declined to elaborate, while defending the decision.

    “Parents are en led to know anytime their child is being taught a controversial topic and picture,” Bishop said in an interview with Slate online magazine.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...italy-00088877

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    even Euros laughing at American conserva stupidity

    Look, you want to hit your kid in the head with the bible and instill whatever moral values so he can grow up to be the prototypical SAWM, go ahead.

    The notion of forcing that onto everybody else via plainly stupid laws is where this goes out of line, IMVHO.

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    You mean, like this?

    Is ‘David’ porn? See for yourself, Italians ask Florida parents
    The incredulous Italian response highlights how the U.S. culture wars are often perceived in Europe.

    ROME — The Florence museum housing Michelangelo’s Renaissance masterpiece the “David” invited parents and students from a Florida charter school to visit after complaints about a lesson featuring the statue forced the principal to resign.

    Florence Mayor Dario Nardella also tweeted an invitation for the principal to visit so he can personally honor her. Confusing art with pornography was “ridiculous,” Nardella said.

    The incredulous Italian response highlights how the U.S. culture wars are often perceived in Europe, where despite a rise in right-wing sentiment and governance, the Renaissance and its masterpieces, even its naked ones, are generally free of controversy.

    But the board of the Tallahassee Classical School pressured Principal Hope Carrasquilla to resign last week after an image of the “David” was shown to a sixth-grade art class. The school has a policy requiring parents to be notified in advance about “controversial” topics being taught.

    Carrasquilla believes the board targeted her after three parents complained about a lesson including a photo of the “David,” a 17-foot nude marble sculpture dating from 1504. The work, considered a masterpiece of the Italian Renaissance, depicts the Biblical David going to fight Goliath armed only with his faith in God.

    Carrasquilla has said two parents complained because they weren’t notified in advance that a nude would be shown, while a third called the iconic statue pornographic.

    Carrasquilla said in a phone interview Sunday that she is “very honored” by the invitations to Italy and she may accept.

    “I am totally, like, wow,” Carasquilla said. “I’ve been to Florence before and have seen the ‘David’ up close and in person, but I would love to go and be a guest of the mayor.”

    Cecilie Hollberg, director of the Galleria dell’Accademia, where the “David” resides, expressed astonishment at the controversy.

    “To think that ‘David’ could be pornographic means truly not understanding the contents of the Bible, not understanding Western culture and not understanding Renaissance art,” Hollberg said in a telephone interview.

    She invited the principal, school board, parents and student body to view the “purity” of the statue.

    Tallahassee Classical is a charter school. While it is taxpayer-funded and tuition-free, it operates almost entirely independently of the local school district and is sought out by parents seeking an alternative to the public school curriculum.

    About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old ins ution, which is now on its third principal. It follows a curriculum designed by Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian school in Michigan frequently consulted by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on educational issues.

    Barney Bishop, chairman of Tallahassee Classical’s school board, has told reporters that while the photo of the statue played a part in Carrasquilla’s ouster, it wasn’t the only factor. He has declined to elaborate, while defending the decision.

    “Parents are en led to know anytime their child is being taught a controversial topic and picture,” Bishop said in an interview with Slate online magazine.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...italy-00088877

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    even Euros laughing at American conserva stupidity

    Look, you want to hit your kid in the head with the bible and instill whatever moral values so he can grow up to be the prototypical SAWM, go ahead.

    The notion of forcing that onto everybody else via plainly stupid laws is where this goes out of line, IMVHO.
    Agreed. This is charter school though.

    "About 400 students from kindergarten through 12th grade attend the three-year-old ins ution, which is now on its third principal."

    This is healthy debate, and better yet at a small scale.

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    Amigos focus too much on extremists and minorities. By & large the problems of the Middle Class American jives with every other 1st World nation.

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    Q news

    A Mom Stopped Paying Her Bills Because of the QAnon Queen. She Lost Her Home.

    VICE News confirmed that one of the QAnon Queen’s most loyal followers was evicted from her home after refusing to pay her mortgage and other bills.

    “They don't care,” she wrote.

    “They threw us out with no clothes, no food, nothing at all.

    The cats, birds, and my daughter are in the vehicle.

    My other daughter is at school. Please, we need your help!”


    “Please, Queen! :lo

    They just removed me from our home. We have no place to go.”

    Bonnie is a clear example of the damage the queen’s rhetoric and teachings are causing on the internet as well.

    “She doesn't seem to really care.

    She claims to be benevolent, but she seems to be anything but,”

    Christine Sarteschi, a professor of social work and criminology at Chatham University, who closely follows Didulo.

    “It's a shame. It's sad. People are being harmed by somebody who is a fraud.”


    https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxjq...llower-evicted

    Bonnie is the same level of bamboozed, defraunded suckerdom as J6 convicts and soon-to-be convicts




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    Florida School Bans Movie About School Segregation After One Complaint from a Parent

    The parent reportedly thought

    the Disney movie based on a true civil rights story

    would “teach white children to hate Black children.”
    dumb racist FL parent

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/93k5...e-ruby-bridges

    Once a slave state, always a slave state. the Confederacy

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    Poll finds steep declines in how Americans value patriotism, religion, parenting

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/...ns-ruined-them

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    steep declines in how Americans value patriotism, religion, parenting

    cliff-like declines over the past couple of decades in how many Americans describe patriotism and religion as "very important" to them.

    While 70% of adults viewed patriotism that way in 1998 and 62% said the same about religion, today,

    just 38% of respondents called patriotism very important,

    while 39% said the same about religion.

    money was the only priority that had grown in importance in the last 25 years—

    up from 31% in 1998 to 43% now. because can't afford being a screwed down by Capitalism's extractive strategy

    https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/...m_medium=email

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    Behind the GOP's pivot to the practical on health care

    The Republican health care agenda has shifted vastly over the last decade, moving away from program-wide overhauls to a focus on targeted changes.

    Between the lines:

    That shift was the intentional result of a lot of behind-the-scenes work after the last ambitious GOP effort —

    the effort to repeal and replace the ACA — fell apart.

    https://www.axios.com/pro/health-car...genda-mccarthy

    Red/Confederate states have been expanding Medicaid,

    12 years after killing 10Ks of their citizens denied health care just to spite that hated Muslim Kenyan knitter.

    Many of their dead were Repug voters, just like 100Ks of vaccine-resisting Repug voter were killed.

    Repugs plan to kick Ms off Medicaid expanded during the pandemic


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    House Republicans pass bill

    giving some parents the authority to beat down other parents' kids


    the measure would

    "affirm a parent's right to address the local school board and

    would require education officials to provide parents with lists of books and other curriculum materials,

    online budgetary information and

    alerts about incidents of violence at their child's school.

    Schools also would have to

    notify parents if their child uses a different name or pronoun at school."

    the “Parents' Bill of Rights Act," and

    its purpose is giving some parents the authority to beat down other parents' kids

    if they happen to identify as not-heterosexual.

    If your child is trans, just know,

    this bill gives some parents a hammer.

    Your kid is the nail.


    https://www.alternet.org/alternet-ex...-parents-beat/

    Emotional violence begets emotional violence

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    Kari Lake, Doug Mastriano amplify GOP anxiety over pro-Trump candidates in 2024

    Trump-aligned candidates who failed to cross the finish line last year could come back to haunt them in 2024, costing the GOP another chance at winning back power in Washington.

    The growing list of Trump loyalists weighing congressional runs has Republicans now warning against writing them off as possible GOP nominees once again.

    “There are people out there that just won’t go away,”

    Kari Lake doesn’t speak for the whole party, but she’s loud;

    she knows how to get attention.

    And, at least to an extent, it holds the rest of the party back.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...t-them-in-2024

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    global warming topic to be blocked from classrooms

    More States Want Students to Learn About Climate Science.

    Ohio Disagrees



    https://time.com/6266938/ohio-climat...l-culture-war/

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