We already have armed officers at schools, the Parkland resource officers hunkered down or ran away. Last year in St. Louis, there were seven armed officers, a metal detector, and the door was locked. Shooter still got in and killed two kids.
Posting armed resource officers has not prevented a single school shooting to date. Someday it might, but it hasn't yet.
none of this would matter if these people didnt have easy access to these weapons
other countries have social/online media too. difference is that in those countries when people are driven to do bad things, they simply dont have the tools that our people do to carry out mass damage. at least not at the same rate
Like I said, I’m not talking about glorified mall cops. I’m saying protect schools like you protect airports and federal buildings. If you choose to ignore that point, then keep banging your head against the wall while children die. You can fight for gun reform while also finding alternative solutions for children in the meantime.
Gun law permissiveness could not predict the mass shooting rate e.
Fetishization of assault style weapons could.
acknowledged
there is some other reason for the e. but whatever reason that is (online media, medication, what have you), those variables are all present in other countries.
a basic form of combustion is methane reacting with oxygen to form carbon dioxide and water. if there was an increase in combustion, one might say "hmm, the variable here is that we have added a lot more methane." but if there isn't a surplus of o2 to begin with, it wouldnt matter.
regardless of there being some other variables, people who are "radicalized" or whatever simply cant do the same amount of damage without guns. thats a concrete, straightforward solution that seems to work literally everywhere else, instead of trying to attack this other nebulous esoteric mystery cause
This just moves the problem from the interior of the building to the security checkpoint. Pretty soon we'd be reading about kids getting slaughtered at the front door.
Well then keep doing nothing, it’s worked great so far.
Also is there some big epidemic of airport mass shootings just outside the security checkpoint that I’m unaware of?
Easy access to guns isn't radicalizing the school shooters in our country.
Pretty soon.
i acknowledged that for the sake of the argument. you arent reading what im writing
i can explain something to you, but i cant understand it for you
just pointing out that so-called simple solutions are seldom simple or even solutions. by all means if you can figure out some way for more gunz and more cops to actually make schools safer, go for it. maybe we can let kids open carry to bring the action closer to the bad guys.
not that I'm aware of. if it ever happens, it will be intuitively clear why -- massing of people at the security checkpoint.
Getting rid of the guns is the obvious best solution. But half this country refuses to let that happen, they could care less if children die or not, and it’s just not going to change. Not in the short term, anyway. So again, you can fight for gun reform and also do something, or you can fight for gun reform and do nothing while children keep dying.
It’s clearly not the best solution, but this at least does something. I don’t care about political wins or losses, I care about fewer dead kids. But please, continue going down the same dead end over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over while children get slaughtered.
Do you actually want to find a solution, or do you just want to complain about how stupid Republicans are?
It’s almost like shooters know there’s easier targets with less resistance.
Like I said, go for it. Politics is the art of the possible.
That said, the stupidity of Republicans prevents the best, most obvious solution.
Logistically best impossible some schools have thousands of students bottlenecking them in such a way would take hours to just get into the building. Also there are hundreds of schools in some areas where fed buildings run into the teens and there's 1 airport. "hardening" schools is a strategy that will be short resources from jump.
Other countries have addressed the culture change by making it harder to get those guns. United States conservatives think the better solution is to change the culture back to what it was.
One of those solutions is achievable and has been proven consistently in other countries. The other is a pipe dream fantasy but consistent with the nostalgic conservative worldview.
So then what do you think is radicalizing these shooters?
lol TSA pontificating about radicalization
not only that, there's a probable psychological toll on students. hardening schools would send a daily message that schools aren't safe. active shooter drills are episodic, at most.
im taking your previous points at face value. untreated mental health, social media, mainstream media, etc
what im saying is regardless of all those things, people wouldnt be able to carry out as many mass murders if they couldnt access these types of weapons as easily as they do. its like asking if its better to try to preach north korea and iran to be nice/good, or is it better to prevent them from acquiring nukes. which is more feasible. which allows for a more concrete plan of action.
when it comes to guns/shootings, we've seen what works quite literally everywhere else.
I’m not advocating for students taking their shoes and belt off before walking into school. But metal detectors + a strong militarized force would absolutely deter shooters from targeting schools. And the funding for this is a Republican problem. Republicans want this in place, so they can put up or shut up with the funding.
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