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    Not too keen on Scoot, we have too many undersize, non athletic leaper, non shooters. When the other team pack the centre with length we simply could not do a thing. The collapse of 2nd half vs the Jazz is exactly what happens.

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    Not too keen on Scoot, we have too many undersize, non athletic leaper, non shooters. When the other team pack the centre with length we simply could not do a thing. The collapse of 2nd half vs the Jazz is exactly what happens.
    The second half collapse against the Jazz was was Tanking 101. And Scoot is anything but unathletic.

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    The second half collapse against the Jazz was was Tanking 101. And Scoot is anything but unathletic.
    Keep telling ourselves that is tanking maybe we will really feel better. We have our starting five on the floor and have problem scoring. Scoot might be athletic but he did not show that he can get to the rim easily in half court set.

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    Keep telling ourselves that is tanking maybe we will really feel better. We have our starting five on the floor and have problem scoring. Scoot might be athletic but he did not show that he can get to the rim easily in half court set.
    Then who do you draft at 2?

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    Keep telling ourselves that is tanking maybe we will really feel better. We have our starting five on the floor and have problem scoring. Scoot might be athletic but he did not show that he can get to the rim easily in half court set.
    Devin Vassell and Tre Jone were playing?

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    Keep telling ourselves that is tanking maybe we will really feel better. We have our starting five on the floor and have problem scoring. Scoot might be athletic but he did not show that he can get to the rim easily in half court set.
    2 of our 5 starters were out, and our starting C was recently traded for picks. our most consistent bench player was traded for picks. prior to the season we traded by far our best player for picks. theres no other way to look at it than a tank job

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    Then who do you draft at 2?
    I admit I don't follow college basketball and he could be the best at 2. However I just don't have an impression that he is a great improvement over Jones. He did show a much improved 3pt% let's see if it holds.

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    2 of our 5 starters were out, and our starting C was recently traded for picks. our most consistent bench player was traded for picks. prior to the season we traded by far our best player for picks. theres no other way to look at it than a tank job
    Devin Vassell and Tre Jone were playing?
    I am not sure they will address our issue of our O and D of 3ptrs and at the rim.

    It could just me losing confidence with them at this point but our D Reb, O & D of 3ptrs did not only happen in this season.

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    I have seen not many minutes of Scoot, but just watching a few minutes, he didn't jump off the screen, in my opinion.

    I'd be hesitant to outsmart myself if I am the Spurs, but both projected top 2 picks could be traps lol

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    I have seen not many minutes of Scoot, but just watching a few minutes, he didn't jump off the screen, in my opinion.

    I'd be hesitant to outsmart myself if I am the Spurs, but both projected top 2 picks could be traps lol
    I agree that both are way more problematic than most are willing to admit. This draft - I don't understand how it got so hyped. 'Generational talents' up and down the board, like everybody believed Derek Lively and Whitehead were phenomenal, that the Thompson twins were incredible. For sure Henderson has talent. And Wembanyama has massive promise, but doubts.

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    I admit I don't follow college basketball and he could be the best at 2. However I just don't have an impression that he is a great improvement over Jones. He did show a much improved 3pt% let's see if it holds.
    You need to watch more basketball….. he is way better than jones sir! Are you serious ?

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    Why Scoot will be a Spur if the Spurs land the #2 pick:

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    2) at his young age, cares about the community: has an AAU basketball program for young boys and girls

    3) says the Spurs’ mantra all the time: “Control what you can control”

    4) has the right mindset about what type of player he wants to be: “I want to be like Andre Miller with the pace and the ability to see the floor. Pass like Chris Paul and be smart. On a skillset level, I want to be like Damian Lillard. I want to be a clash of all those guys. On defense, be like Jrue Holiday. I watch all of their film and try to be that one whole player.

    I was trying to meet Andre. I was watching film of him before the game. Miller was going slow as heck, but he was getting whatever he wanted. I feel I have the ability to go slow and fast and still get what I want.”

    5) says he wants to study the entire playbook for whatever team he’s drafted to

    6) he’s incredibly mature: ““I’m not going to regret coming here at all,” Henderson said. “I’m going to be proud of what I became out of this organization, and how I came into it. I always look back at old pictures and how I came into it, and how I’m leaving, how I act about certain situations and how I go about them now. It’s just seeing my growth as a person.”

    7) his teammates love him:

    The Ignite players, coaching staff and other staff members all say they’re going to miss Henderson because of his humility, lack of ego and thoughtfulness.”
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    An observation that has no bearing on anything important… 19 year old Tony Parker looks like he was 13. 19 year old Scoot looks like he’s Greg Oden’s dad.

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    4) has the right mindset about what type of player he wants to be: “I want to be like Andre Miller with the pace and the ability to see the floor. Pass like Chris Paul and be smart. On a skillset level, I want to be like Damian Lillard. I want to be a clash of all those guys. On defense, be like Jrue Holiday. I watch all of their film and try to be that one whole player.

    I was trying to meet Andre. I was watching film of him before the game. Miller was going slow as heck, but he was getting whatever he wanted. I feel I have the ability to go slow and fast and still get what I want.”
    I call BS. I distinctly remember watching an interview of him a few months ago, and said his wanted to be like AI (yes, a 19 year old named Allen Iverson) and Russell Westbrook. Now he changes the tune naming team first PGs because that's a much better sell for teams. Also, he didn't come across as particularly bright, though definitely ambitious. He's obviously been coached.

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    I call BS. I distinctly remember watching an interview of him a few months ago, and said his wanted to be like AI (yes, a 19 year old named Allen Iverson) and Russell Westbrook. Now he changes the tune naming team first PGs because that's a much better sell for teams. He's obviously been coached.
    Hmm, not sure about you but in my decades of NBA fandom my favorite types of players have changed over and over as I gained more appreciation for the fundamentals of basketball. It’s not exactly outside the realm of possibility for an 18 year old to change players he likes, much less an actual player who is in his development years and is gaining more of an understanding of what his strengths and weaknesses are.

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    The Spurs will take Scoot at 2. They need a better starting quality pg with upside and I don't see them taking Miller at 2. Who else would they go for?

    They are not likely to trade down.

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    Many in here who are not high on Scoot will change their minds if and when the Spurs draft him at 2.

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    Hmm, not sure about you but in my decades of NBA fandom my favorite types of players have changed over and over as I gained more appreciation for the fundamentals of basketball. It’s not exactly outside the realm of possibility for an 18 year old to change players he likes, much less an actual player who is in his development years and is gaining more of an understanding of what his strengths and weaknesses are.
    In decades, sure. But going from AI & Westbrook to Chris Paul & Andre Miller within a few months sounds more like an outbreak of schizophrenia than an epiphany of what a PG should look like. It definitely doesn't get any more different than that. He's definitely being coached, which is to be expected, but I'm just not buying the BS being sold here.

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    Oh... and he's got an ego... you don't come out and say you should be the no. 1 pick of your class if you don't. It's not necessarily bad if appropriately channeled, but the fact that they're trying to paint him completely opposite to what he came across a few months ago sounds extremely fishy. Very obvious PR move.

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    Scoot will be an excellent consolation prize after we inevitably fail to land the #1 pick

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    Oh... and he's got an ego... you don't come out and say you should be the no. 1 pick of your class if you don't. It's not necessarily bad if appropriately channeled, but the fact that they're trying to paint him completely opposite to what he came across a few months ago sounds extremely fishy. Very obvious PR move.
    I mean, the full quote was that he wants to be number one in anything he does because that’s the type of compe or he is. You obviously don’t like the guy and will twist anything he says from now up until draft lottery (and then draft night if we land #2). That’s not a slight, it’s acknowledging what humans normally do when they have a bias. I’m guilty of it too but I try not to spend too much energy on it.

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    I’m not gonna lie, I would be psyched if we drafted Andre miller type player with our pick.

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    I mean, the full quote was that he wants to be number one in anything he does because that’s the type of compe or he is. You obviously don’t like the guy and will twist anything he says from now up until draft lottery (and then draft night if we land #2). That’s not a slight, it’s acknowledging what humans normally do when they have a bias. I’m guilty of it too but I try not to spend too much energy on it.
    Nope. I've had Scoot at 2 pretty much the whole time but simply took a step back from viewing him as a franchise player, but he can very well be the best option available when we pick, especially when there isn't a clearly better alternative.
    He's not the franchise player who you'd expect out of a tanking season, the problem is, there are not that many of those in this class. My shortlist at the top is:
    Franchise players:
    1) Wemby (duh!)
    All Stars:
    2a / 2b) Scoot Henderson / Brandon Miller (depending on who picks at 2
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    4) Cam Whitmore (last potential star IMO)
    Quality starters:
    5) Jarace Walker
    6) Anthony Black
    7) Gradey
    From this point onwards it becomes a crapshoot. I have:
    8) Keyonte George (undersized and inefficient chucker, but has potential to improve)
    9) Cason Wallace (good but overrated defender IMO)
    Then you have GG Jackson, Dariq Whitehead and Dereck Lively who I'd consider starting at 15-20, but they're projects mostly.
    We may be able to land an interesting role player with our best 2nd rounder (Strawther, Colby Jones, Jaquez), but unless we get lucky in the lottery or some dumb team pushes talent back by taking the Thompson twins, we're f*cked.
    I think the trouble starts at 5. I'm comfortable taking any of Wemby (duh), Brandon Miller (strictly on bball), Scoot (yeah, I've cool down on him as a potential franchise player due to finishing & shooting issues plus his game has stagnated somewhat, but I still believe in his athleticism, ball handling and play making skills), and Cam Whitmore (last high upside guy with solid floor). From then on it's all out gambles (Thompson twins) or lower upside (Anthony Black, Gradey , Jarace Walker, Keyonte George, etc.). I'm all for trading down if the cir stances are favorable.
    That doesn't mean I will go along with anything he (or anyone) says. I don't have a binding commitment to anyone, right or wrong I'll state my opinion, it's not that difficult to grasp provided you don't see everyone on a message board as having "an agenda" or fitting into a given box.
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    yeah, you can forget all the made up, pre-draft communication their agents write for their prospects. If you believe them, theses kids are all humble, wanna be learning, caring, fantastic human beings. Then they enter the NBA... I don't buy one bit of those Scoot quotes, nor does any NBA GM... It's a business and these guys have a plan for him, reason why they shut his season down before the end of the G league season.

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    I’m not gonna lie, I would be psyched if we drafted Andre miller type player with our pick.
    I’d throw up. AM is a homeless man’s Jrue Holiday.

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