Draymond Green doesn't want to take less money and a back seat to mentor someone else. His recent track record speaks very loudly. He'll most likely join the Lakers, Dallas, or some team like that where he can continue collecting big bucks while remaining in the spotlight to feed his ego and media career.
Yeah, we might be having two separate, overlapping conversations.
And sure maybe he was going through grief, I did mention denial, touche. Yet, he never acted like someone who wanted to be part of the team after that. And that odd behavior seems to have followed him. Is he still grieving or just “neurodivergent”. I agree he could have been an all-timer but his chronic knee injury prevented that, ultimately.
Anyway…
Tell my employer that.
The NBA overlaps many states, both cannabis legal, and not. Wouldn’t be fair to test those in legal states. Wouldn’t be fair to ONLY test those in non-legal states. Best option is to not test for cannabis.
Come on Chinook. Did the Spurs a favor...the ???!!!???
You know what he did. He basically stopped supporting his teammates and even hid from team officials (reportedly even Pop himself) and would have undoubtedly played tge injury card in his last contract year.
He went total ass. And because of those behaviors and the actions of his uncle, ought to never be shown the grace or benefit of the doubt. For all intents and purposes, nephew is the precipitating factor that led to the current modus operandi for getting out of your contract early. And since followed by others.
Pretty shocked by your take here quite frankly.
My company is in like 35 states. Again, I wish someone would tell my employer so I could just stop being tested too.
Unless you drive or operate machinery for a job its pretty to be tested in 2023 tbh. And even then.
Should clarify...I'm not tested, but we are subject to it at any time or at supervisor's request. Which is basically a way for people to fire people they know that smoke regardless of job performance.
I don't know how you deal with the brazen efforts by some players to get out of contract situations and certain cities by simply using bull tactics like phantom injuries, deliberately not following coaching orders, not playing at the level they are being paid for or just being jerks. we've seen all of these tactics over the past few years. If the league tries to come up with some reasonalbe rules, they will be too weak to enforce them--and failing all else, players will simply claim racism and indentured servitude to back off the league. The league has to face the fact that the U.S. government will ultimately be the decider as to what can and can't be done IMO.
Perhaps it is time we stop looking at the NBA as a performance league based on real compe ion and just enjoy it as entertainment, much like when the Harlem Globetrotters used to come into town with their tame opposition.
Feels like small market teams still will be getting the shaft.
the way i remember it the spurs wanted him back on the court and their doctors said he's good to go, and it was kawhi who was skeptical because he didnt feel right, or something along those lines
Nah, this will pretty much spell the end of Superteams. That second salary apron is a . They almost can’t do anything to improve, or even keep an even keel.
this is a VERY generous interpretation of events. "asking" to be traded is like, ok im showing up to work and giving it my all, but i've let my preference be known. he refused to play for much of 2018. and by the time that offseason rolled around it was pretty clear he never intended to play for the spurs again. that's not "asking" to be traded.
when a team signs a player to a contract, they make plans around those players. when you get a guy on a 4 year deal, you cant plan for him to bolt in 2 years. and if a player whines and cries about wanting to be traded, and letting it be known publicly (either directly or through intentional leaks), it tanks the team's leverage to actually make something happen. so even if that situation where a team is forced to abandon their 4 year plan, now you've kneecapped their ability to make lemonade.
i do agree with you that there probably isnt a great way to legislate this. or at least none that any of us have thought of
The Spurs, I believe, told Leonard that his knee was basically what it was from now on and that he'd have to learn to manage the pain. Leonard played on it, and it hurt, so he stopped. The Spurs were right that Kawhi was always going to be hurt, but Leonard was hoping he had some injury that could be cured, hence his search for a doctor who agreed.
You and Off both seem to have missed what I'm saying. Leonard was planning on leaving as a free agent. No one was going to stop that. We shouldn't want there to be a mechanism to stop that. So if he was going to leave anyway, asking to be traded when he actually asked (summer of 2018) was fine. How he behaved was bad, and I've never said it wasn't. But it's only seen as a trade demand retroactively. Leonard (through leaks) was not subtle about what the issue was. People want to act like it's silly to think Leonard could've spiraled because of his injury when John Wall wrote about how much his injury caused him to spiral/. (Yes, his mother dying is what almost sent him over the edge, but he was already spiraling before that according to the article.) Kawhi's human. He got devastating news and he, and definitely his followers who wanted to grow his brand, and he took it really poorly. That's actually what was being reported at the time, but people want to ignore that and push the idea that Leonard alienated himself in order to be traded when he could've just asked to be traded. If there was evidence that he did, the Spurs denied him and then he started acting weird, that would be one thing. But people want to just assume that, and it's not parsimonious.
Leonard didn't make it known until the final year of his deal. Leonard was actually hurt in 2017 -- he's still hurt. That's just who he is now. In an ideal world, the Spurs get a good asset for him in either 2017 or 2018 and can move forward relieved that they avoided giving Kawhi the DPE with his injury prognosis. Outside of scenarios where Leonard gets Clockwork Oranged into staying (or a scenario where Leonard both stays but somehow no longer has a degenerative knee condition), that's the best outcome. That it didn't happen is something that Leonard is largely at fault for. But I don't particularly think Leonard likes the way his career has turned out. I don't think he likes being the poster child for load management. Leonard's legacy took a huge hit because of his injury (ignoring the literal pain it causes). He's not Brandon Roy, but he could've been in the conversation with Kobe in my opinion. It's a huge fall for him. I don't expect Leonard to ever really talk about what happened to that level publicly, but I do think he and Pop have talked about it. I think that's why the two of them are much cooler with each other than a lot of fans can believe is warranted.
So yeah, hate Kawhi. He did the Spurs wrong. I hope he never wins a thing again. But there's no way the league can prevent that situation, just like it can't prevent Simmons basically losing his mind two years ago. Fans refusing to consider nuance does not make those situations simple.
I typically agree with Chinook but I think you are accepting Kawhi at his word too much, and I’m still trying to confirm the timeline of his chronic knee issue. I thought we later learned that he was aware of his knee issues before the season when he sat out. And so I don’t see it as a sudden revelation. He didn’t have an acute injury it was a chronic degeneration.
Also, I think it should be considered that he was feeling disrespected that Lamarcus got a new contract before he did… Isn’t that right? Didn’t Lamarcus get an extension or something to that effect that summer before the lost season for Kawhi?
Initially when Kawhi didn’t suit up for preseason that’s what I assumed it was and I still think it’s a valid theory. It’s a lot of factors but I think Kawhi wanted out and convinced himself the Spurs were the villains to justify his actions. It’s human nature, but still very childish.
Kawhi had completed 2 seasons of his 5 year deal, and was not eligible for an extension.
Was this reported on or are these just best guesses. Honest question as i don’t recall
That's stupefying.
I seem to remember that he played pretty well after leaving the Spurs. Championship in Toronto and MVP of Finals while continuing to receive All this and All that during that year. I don't buy that he found a miracle cure. He just wanted to play somewhere else for whatever reason. He also wanted to keep his career on track at Toronto with some outstanding play that would guarantee him a move to his desired area of the country. He obviously put in the necessary work in Toronto. He got the move he wanted, but the team he got didn't bring him another championship.
I think you can argue that we got a fair share of his good performances/years. I wish he had stayed until retirement, but it's his life in the end and he wanted to change it. Let it go.
It was in the reporting. Wanna say Michael C Wright.
thanks. ive blocked a lot of this out of memory
We learned a lot of stuff in retrospect with pieces like that one MCW put out. But that the Spurs and Kawhi disagreed about his injury was always the story. That he was trying to get out of SA was the retroactive thing.
That would be great. The NBA might become watchable again.
Kawhi didn't want to think it was a chronic issue, the Spurs correctly thought it was but manageable.
That is all well and good but the NBA contract is what it is and you should not be able to just ghost your employer for months during the production cycle and still honor an employment contract.
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