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    How many of the league's big stars are actually that athletic? Giannis? LeBron was huge and powerful, not a freak athlete. Westbrook was at one point. Who else? That's about it.
    Giannis, Embiid, George, Nephew, Lebron, AD, KAT, Gobert, Butler, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Siakam, Donovan Mitc , Kirye Irving, Ja Morant, Zion (when healthy) and on and on... are NBA athletes

    Now when you look like Anthony Black (a supposed 3, 2 or whatever) you really got to have some really special, great skills like Durant or Wemby to be a real dominant star... (Trae or even Booker aren't leading you anywhere as alpha dogs.)

    Black don't have those special skills. He's a nice player (to be confirmed tho) but nothing transcendent... Nice complementay player maybe but not a guy who will dominate. This is not who you tanked for if you ask me. The guy has litterally no pecs or shoulders, he's gonna end up in the stands anytime Embiid boxes him out.

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    Anthony Black is not going to be anything special in the NBA. That hair is a joke too.

    His potential upside is at a similar or even below level to the type of players already on the team.

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    Not everyone who starts skinny stays skinny...

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    Anthony Black is not going to be anything special in the NBA. That hair is a joke too.

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    [QUOTE=JPB;10883605]Giannis, Embiid, George, Nephew, Lebron, AD, KAT, Gobert, Butler, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Siakam, Donovan Mitc , Kirye Irving, Ja Morant, Zion (when healthy) and on and on... are NBA athletes

    Now when you look like Anthony Black (a supposed 3/4) you really got to have some really special, great skills like Durant or Wemby to be a real dominant star... (Trae or even Booker aren't leading you anywhere as alpha dogs.)

    Black don't have those special skills. He's a nice player (to be confirmed tho) but nothing transcendent... Nice complementay player maybe but not a guy who will dominate. This is not who you tanked for if you ask me. The guy has litterally no pecs or shoulders, he's gonna end up in the stands anytime Embiid boxes him out.




    We're tanking for Wemby, obviously, but still, if we end up at 5-7, we still have to take somebody, and those are players with more question marks. I guess that's how I'm seeing it.
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    Giannis, Embiid, George, Nephew, Lebron, AD, KAT, Gobert, Butler, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Siakam, Donovan Mitc , Kirye Irving, Ja Morant, Zion (when healthy) and on and on... are NBA athletes.
    Yes, I said they are NBA athletes.

    Anthony Black is much more athletic than you and too many other people acknowledge.

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    Giannis, Embiid, George, Nephew, Lebron, AD, KAT, Gobert, Butler, Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Siakam, Donovan Mitc , Kirye Irving, Ja Morant, Zion (when healthy) and on and on... are NBA athletes

    Now when you look like Anthony Black (a supposed 3/4) you really got to have some really special, great skills like Durant or Wemby to be a real dominant star... (Trae or even Booker aren't leading you anywhere as alpha dogs.)

    Black don't have those special skills. He's a nice player (to be confirmed tho) but nothing transcendent... Nice complementay player maybe but not a guy who will dominate. This is not who you tanked for if you ask me. The guy has litterally no pecs or shoulders, he's gonna end up in the stands anytime Embiid boxes him out.
    Where TF did you get the idea he's a 3/4? He's a 2 who was forced into playing a lot of 1 last year with NSJ injured on the bench. He can play SOME up or down one position. He's not a 4, even in college.

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    Not everyone who starts skinny stays skinny...
    I don't know if Young Giannis is supposed to look skinny on that pic but he's already 5 times more athletic than Black will ever be. And that's before talking about Giannis vertical leap and explosivity.

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    I don't know if Young Giannis is supposed to look skinny on that pic but he's already 5 times more athletic than Black will ever be. And that's before talking about Giannis vertical leap and explosivity.
    So's Lonnie Walker. Vertical isn't everything, and sometimes doesn't matter at all.

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    Where TF did you get the idea he's a 3/4? He's a 2 who was forced into playing a lot of 1 last year with NSJ injured on the bench. He can play SOME up or down one position. He's not a 4, even in college.
    Thanks I missed that part. Black's position is flexible/fluid. To me, he's a straight up PG and there's little question about that. I think he can be slotted as a 2 or a 3, but I don't think you want to stick him in the corner all the time.

    He's absolutely not a 4. Kinda getting the impression people haven't even bothered watching him play, much less watch a basic YT vid on his strengths/weaknesses. They just see some goofy kid with funky hair and that's their assessment.

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    So's Lonnie Walker. Vertical isn't everything, and sometimes doesn't matter at all.
    Only place vertical matters is at the rim and ususally by then it's too late.

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    Nothing jumps off the page watching black's highlights that tells me his upside is anything better than what the Spurs currently have on the roster.

    Cam who'll get pick around the same area looks far better as a more powerful player with explosiveness to the basket.

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    watching black's highlights
    Certainly an authoritative assessment.

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    Nothing jumps off the page watching black's highlights that tells me his upside is anything better than what the Spurs currently have on the roster.

    Cam who'll get pick around the same area looks far better as a more powerful player with explosiveness to the basket.
    I'm pretty sure you've never seen any single one of these players play. Cam wasn't even close to the basketball player Black was. Who gives a flying about 'explosiveness'. Jesus Christ, lol.

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    I’m so intrigued by the twins…if Spurs dont land top 3, I would be very happy I think with either Amen/Ausar
    Welp - evidently the Spurs are very intrigued by the twins as well. I would not take them over Wemby/Scoot, but I get the appeal even if it’s risky as .

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    Welp - evidently the Spurs are very intrigued by the twins as well. I would not take them over Wemby/Scoot, but I get the appeal even if it’s risky as .
    I'm definitely intrigued as well.

    They do have high character and a strong family background as far as I can tell, and to be honest, I think that goes a long way with the Spurs.

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    As for explosiveness, I agree that it's a good thing but I also agree that it's not the only type of athleticism. Cam, for example, is very much quick twitch and a high leaper, but I see so many videos of him launching himself into situations and falling down a lot. Like a lot. It's very awkward. I see Anthony Black as not as explosive up or in a straight line but great laterally which is probably more important and seems very agile and coordinated, fluid, basically.

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    Where TF did you get the idea he's a 3/4? He's a 2 who was forced into playing a lot of 1 last year with NSJ injured on the bench. He can play SOME up or down one position. He's not a 4, even in college.
    You're correct, wanted to say 2/3. My Mistake. It's true he can play the point and has a great court vision but I'm not sure you want him as your point in that spurs team. With Sochan already capable in that role (as a 4) + Tre or any natural PG, you need some natural 2-3 slashers around, the kind of talented drivers or swingmen SA has been desperately lacking for years... I mean, we had one but he couldn't wipe his own ass. Keldon is OK but gimme even half a Tatum or Giannis and I'm good. Miller was potentially that guy and my guy for a while, but nah...
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    Everyone backs their own horses. I'm not even trying to get the 2023 draft right. If I were, I'd have the Thompsons higher, where they will inevitably get drafted. I'm trying to nail the two year redraft two years early where everyone says "how did we get that so wrong?".
    I hear ya.... I'm not trying to get the draft right either.... I just do my own board every year based on how I project players at this level...

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    I like Black but I question where we play him I didn't see all of his games but the game against Alabama did not impress me as the PG. But then again I don't think he was played right as they kind of played PG by committee at least in that game and the ones that I watched when Nic was out. One question is who is going to the bench for him is he beating out Vassell or Keldon and I don't really see him as a PG he is a decent athlete but he gets blown by fast guards pretty easily way to much. But I get the appeal he does a lot of things to help you win but doesn't excel in one thing.

    To be honest after the first pick I don't have a pet cat in who I want I am just going to trust the Spurs and hope they do a better background check can't be picking another flasher..lol.

    1.Wemb - Unicorn but can he stay healthy?
    2.Scoot - Athlete but can his shooting improve and can he prove a PG can take you to the promise land?
    3.Miller - Perfect fit but we will not do it....I would be shocked if we did
    4.Cam - Very athletic SF/PF has nice floor and high upside biggest question is ball IQ but he has the dog in him
    5.Ausur - A Deer shot has improved but can he play in half court and be a off ball threat
    6.Amen - A Super Deer with a terrible shooting mechanics but is the most Athletic draft prospect in a long time - Decent Floor - Very High Potential - The word "Potential" has gotten a lot of GM's fired
    7.Walker - I like him but we got Sochan don't see them being able to play together
    8. Black - Good player just does not excel in anything
    9. - I actually think he might be one of the steals of the draft if he drops he excels in the 3 ball will be very interested in his measurements and cone scores
    10. Hendricks - A lesser Miller? he has potential have heard he might be a legit 6'10 the potential is there and I can see him playing off Sochan
    11.Sensabaugh - Another kid that I like he is growing on me love his shooting

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    I keep hearing the same on Black that I heard over and over on Sochan.

    Great D, great feel, coachable, okay at everything else not a guy who you really want.

    I heard the same thing about Kawhi.
    Great D, great feel, gym rat. Okay at everything else. Not a guy you really want.


    I'm okay with watching how plays out instead of listening to you over-anxious know-it-alls.

    Primo not-withstanding since he had an undisclosed weirdness that became disclosed rather quickly.

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    I keep hearing the same on Black that I heard over and over on Sochan.

    Great D, great feel, coachable, okay at everything else not a guy who you really want.

    I heard the same thing about Kawhi.
    Great D, great feel, gym rat. Okay at everything else. Not a guy you really want.


    I'm okay with watching how plays out instead of listening to you over-anxious know-it-alls.

    Primo not-withstanding since he had an undisclosed weirdness that became disclosed rather quickly.
    That's 3 different players and different contextes. Sochan was selected at 9 after what wasn't a tanking year and Kawhi at 15 during SA contending years. Spurs tanked this year to try and get dat badly missed franchise/ game changing caliber player that nor Sochan or Black are. They're nice players but next to a scoring star. And black is no Kawhi either, his ceiling isn't MPV. You do'nt build your team around him while spurs already have Sochan in that same style at a different post. If all you have is glue guys, all you got is glue at the end.

    For the record, many people wanted Sochan here. And if you just want to see how it plays out, then don't come here on a forum where people give and discuss what is just their opinion to try and patronize everyone. Just go wait anxiously somewhe else.

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    That's 3 different players and different contextes. Sochan was selected at 9 after what wasn't a tanking year and Kawhi at 15 during SA contending years. Spurs tanked this year to try and get dat badly missed franchise/ game changing caliber player that nor Sochan or Black are. They're nice players but next to a scoring star. And black is no Kawhi either, his ceiling isn't MPV.

    For the record, many people wanted Sochan here. And if you just want to see how it plays out, then don't come here on a forum where people give and discuss what is just their opinion to try and patronize everyone. Just go wait anxiously somewhe else.
    Kawhi ceiling, as a prospect, was nowhere near MVP. If it were, he never would have lasted to pick #15. He hit his 99.9% development point.

    Oh, and the Spurs tanked this year for Wemby, not in the faint hope that one of the other players will go full Kawhi.

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    Thanks I missed that part. Black's position is flexible/fluid. To me, he's a straight up PG and there's little question about that. I think he can be slotted as a 2 or a 3, but I don't think you want to stick him in the corner all the time.

    He's absolutely not a 4. Kinda getting the impression people haven't even bothered watching him play, much less watch a basic YT vid on his strengths/weaknesses. They just see some goofy kid with funky hair and that's their assessment.
    I like Hood-Shifino more than Black as a pg. He's more of a true pg than Black, has better handles and passing pg skills and better shooting form.

    Black doesn't shoot well enough to be a strong starting NBA 2 guard too. So both on the board I'd take Hood-Shifino for PG over Black.

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    That's 3 different players and different contextes. Sochan was selected at 9 after what wasn't a tanking year and Kawhi at 15 during SA contending years. Spurs tanked this year to try and get dat badly missed franchise/ game changing caliber player that nor Sochan or Black are. They're nice players but next to a scoring star. And black is no Kawhi either, his ceiling isn't MPV. You do'nt build your team around him while spurs already have Sochan in that same style at a different post. If all you have is glue guys, all you got is glue at the end.

    For the record, many people wanted Sochan here. And if you just want to see how it plays out, then don't come here on a forum where people give and discuss what is just their opinion to try and patronize everyone. Just go wait anxiously somewhe else.
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