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Hey,we got the real thing right here
https://www.spurstalk.com/gregg-popo...-nba-playoffs/
A few reaches but pretty impressive list, tbh
Hey,we got the real thing right here
The best coach of all time, in any sport. The results speak for themselves. I still say Duncan wins at least 2-3 chips on another team with different players and coach and Ginobili at least 1 chip and Parker maybe 1 somewhere else as well, but it still doesn't take away what Pop was able to do across the board, and for such a long period of time. Every coach needs great players. His coaching tree is unmatched as well.
Is Pop a genius who made Tim Duncan great, or is Pop a Division 3 college coach who got lucky and looked good only when Duncan was leading the team?
Did you know that Popovich, without Tim Duncan, has a career record well below .500 and missed the playoffs more often than he made them?
With Tim Duncan, Pop was a "genius." Without Tim, Pop's coaching skills are closer to those of Marc Iavaroni than Phil Jackson.
Agreed. I always say coaching in the NBA is grossly overrated. The players make the coach and not vice versa.
Not surprising to see a Libertarian have no ing idea what they're talking about.
What did Jackson bring?
As he used triangle offense in the 90s, he tried to put it on the Knicks in the mid-2010s. What has Phil Jackson accomplished without a top 10 player of all time on the roster?
The first three-peat is the result of having two top 5 players in the league Jordan and Pippen (two MVP caliber players) on the roster. The second three-peat is the result of the league expansion and the subsequent downgrading of the compe ion.
The first three-peat Lakers was also possible because of Shaq-Kobe (two MVP caliber players) and loyal officiating.
Popovich started with a defensive system around two towers and a group of veterans.
Came to the sole dominance of Tim Duncan in the "post".
Rebuilt the Spurs in favor of the backcourt following changes to the handchecking rules.
Invented "basketball of the future" with Tony Parker as the MVP contender.
Returned to the two towers with the arrival of LaMarcus Aldridge.
Reformatted the attack around Kawhi.
After 2019, he did not have a roster at his disposal, suitable even for regular hits in the playoffs, not to mention being a contender. Due to Brin's poorly formed roster, Forbes had to release in the starting five.
If Jackson were in a similar situation, he would have gone on vacation, as he did in 1998 and 2004.
Last edited by Vince Carter's ankle; 04-16-2023 at 04:08 PM.
Phil didn't even create the triangle offense. Tex Winter did in the 40's.
He just tried to shoehorn it in wherever he went and had the benefit of having the greatest players to execute it.
Dude had no innovation within him nor did he even want to adapt while giving Zen books to his players which is all about being in the moment.
They called him the Zen Master while he never practiced what he preached tactically.
Jackson's teams won 2 championships without a top 10 all time player ('09 and '10 Lakers), while Popovich's teams won 1 championship without a player playing at a top 10 all time level ('14).
Pippen wasn't a top 5 or MVP caliber player (Jordan, Olajuwon, Robinson, Malone, Barkley and after the Bulls first threepeat, O'Neal).
Popovich gets way too much credit for Robinson's and Duncan's unusual humility for players of their stature and their willingness to step aside as the offensive centerpiece or at least the sole one. Ingenuity wasn't required for the baton to be passed.
Popovich is also primarily to blame for the roster post S bag. It's only recently where Wright and company have gained more control and are trying to cleanup his and Buford's mess.
Last edited by TD 21; 04-16-2023 at 04:25 PM.
It was a synergy. And what do you mean, Phil Jackson had 3 consensus all-time top 10 players on his championship teams as well as his teams being stacked in general when he was winning. The point stands, EVERY coach needs great players regardless.
Right wing nutcases are even worse when it comes to not knowing what they're talking about and basing most of their political beliefs on their religion as well as racism.
Only on ST will someone call what Pop and RC have done in a small market team ‘a mess’Jesus christ the quality has really gone down the drain
Only on ST will someone call what Pop and RC have done in a small market team ‘a mess’At the apologist being intentionally obtuse because he's perturbed that someone isn't worshiping at the old white man's altar and thinks the all time player/core deserve the majority of the credit for the dynasty . . . you know, like every other one in at least major North American professional sports.
Pippen in the season without Jordan was one game away from the Conference Finals and was top 3 in MVP voting.
Just because Jordan got all the attention from the press and narrow-minded laymen like you doesn't make Barkley a better player than Pippen.
Not everything can be measured by numbers in boxscore.
I'm aware of their respective resumes and if you want to play the results without context game, Barkley came two within' 2 wins of a championship as the undisputed best player.
Pippen was a top 10 player, but not an MVP caliber (George finished 3rd in '19 and he's never been a top 10 player) one and needed to be a second option on a championship caliber team.
Plenty can be measured through catch all metrics, which agree with me that Barkley was clearly better.
Lol, "old white man's altar".
Well, I guess he is an old white man. So there's that.
Only (some) spurs fans to discuss if Pop is a great coach tbh.
Jackson's rosters were filthy. Those two Kobe-lead teams in 09 and 10 had a ridiculously good front line -- given to him in part by Jerry West. He didn't even have his own offense and couldn't run anything but the offense he was given. He never changed. He knew he sucked without top notch talent and left whenever he didn't have it.
Your arguments here about Popovich are just ignorant, stupid and lazy.
Nobody said they weren't (Robinson and Duncan't weren't half bad though) or that anyone wins without talent.
That's literally the point I'm always trying to make that you apologists either pretend to or inexplicably genuinely misconstrue.
He didn't win because of all the bull narratives that have been fed to the public, he won because of talent too. He's told you that countless times, but you were too brainwashed to listen to it.
Championship teams have good players, what a novel observation.
his tree is the only tree.
It is here, where the majority are brainwashed by thinking the president/coach has a magic wand and that it's primarily responsible for the dynasty.
Obviously landing Tim played a huge role in the organization being as successful as it was, but time has proven time and again that, no matter how good you are, you need talent and structure around you in order to win. In that sense, the Spurs drafted and developed Tony, Manu and Kawhi, signed or acquired role players like Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Danny Green, Boris Diaw, etc., and got them into a cohesive team that remained a contender for over a decade and a half. That's not just balls bouncing the right way. Are there other coaches that, in similar cir stances could have had similar success? Probably, but most wouldn't (and don't). That doesn't mean I blindly adhere to everything the FO does, but chances are any of us would be lucky to be half as successful at any one thing as Pop has been at his craft.
If Pop wasn't this good as some of the morons here are stating..he wouldn't have been the root for the coaching tree that has spread branches across the league as has happened today. Rhe best achievers are ins ution builders. Pop is the best among them.
Well your complete lack of general awareness and understanding of context is amusing because it’s genuine, unlike most who are just trolling.
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