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yea spurs character card bit them hard in the arss
Sochan wasn't a bust at #9 by any stretch.
That Primo fellow however...lost a year of rebuild drafting him.
yea spurs character card bit them hard in the arss
Isn't all this talk about a player who is lost to us and a draft that is way back in our rear view mirror kinda irrelevant. OK, everyone has had their say on Jalen. Now let's archive this thread and move on.
ST is not over Halliburton either. The relevance is how Wright is picking these players, based on BPA, need, high character, big swing or what not. Definitely Sochan > JDubs. Halliburton >= Devin, although Devin still has plenty of ceiling. And there’s Sengun > Primo, etc. It’s relevant especially with the coming draft.
The way his coach plays him might allow us to get him for cheap in no time.
We don't need him. The track record of castoffs that are turned into anything meaningful is hideous, and we have too many picks to take him on as a project.
There are people discussing his name here even at 9th but there's a hesitation since there's quite a similarity with Primo except with age particularly regarding his stock rising due to draft combine. I believe one of the reason why Primo was drafted high was due to his draft combine performance so it's quite concerning in terms of trend if the Spurs pick Williams at 9th even though given a chance it wasn't a bad pick.
I'll still pick Sochan over Williams due to age and team's need at 9th - it's a lottery anyways, no one knows until the season started so it's a wait and see. It's not like the Spurs picked Davis at 9th tho too early to tell. Not every team can hit a lotto during draft but I don't think the Spurs did a poor job getting those players. Sure they picked Vassell over Haliburton and Primo over Sengun but if those latter names didn't translated well in the NBA, Spurs will be praised for dodging a bullet on those players. I'm a bit moving away from the topic but point is, can't always hit a lotto - just learn from it and move on.
Wonder who the 2023 Jalen Williams will be.
Lots of candidates tbh, my first guess would be Taylor Hendricks, but could also see Jalen Hood Schifino being that guy
Anthony Black, big guard at 6’7” who’s a pesky defender with 2 steals avg per game. He can facilitate, and you know Pop likes defense and facilitator. He’s not shy to take risks hence his 3 TO’s per game, but those are the things you want your player pushing the issue. He’s only 32% at 3pt but once those improve, this kid would be a stud. Very close to JDubs imo.
Last edited by John B; 04-19-2023 at 11:54 PM.
Williams is already 22. People tend to think he was much younger, but he's already developed in terms of game and physicality. You have to pick a player who was at least a junior this year.
High bball IQ this kid Anthony Black
Anthony Black is my guy, but the compare with Jalen Williams doesn't make sense. Williams was an upperclassman many discounted due to his age. He's done well because he's physically strong and knows how to play because he played three years of college ball. That's not Black.
If anyone sort of fits the mold it's like Julian Strawther.
Every single FO in the NBA have picks they'd like to take back. Look up Detroit draft histoy the last 10 years. And others are retrospectively glorified for picking some future stars others passed on, but simply because that's where they had to pick guys they probably wouldn't have taken with a higher pick.
Washington is awful, worse than Detroit. Picking Johnny Davis, Avdija, and Rui with their last 3 lotto picks.
Who said you make the rules? Lmao the question was who’s this years Jalen Williams, age doesn’t matter
Actually, it does. Older players tend to come into the league more ready to play, and further along their development curve. As wowed as people are by him, there probably isn't a ton of development left. Teams penalize older players in the draft for just this reason. Last season, Chris Duarte of Indy was the . He dropped off the map in year two. Same thing. Older player drafted in the teens.
If you just want to compare random players, go ahead. If you want to figure out what made Jalen Williams special this year, then do that. And he was special because he was a three year player who was somewhat overlooked and did well his first year.
I mean, if you want to compare by last names or whether they look funny or like Cajun food, do whatever the you want. But if you want to compare players, saying "Anthony Black!" like that has any ing meaning is stupid. Because they're not alike. But go on with your bad self.
Yeah, thanks. Point is comparing Williams to some random freshman makes no sense. "Who is this year's upperclassman who contributes because he's further along? Oh, I know, this nineteen year old freshman! Whose game is nothing like his!"
It was Chris Duarte at one point. You could say Derrick White. If you want to find points of comparison, then you've gotta... you know... find points of comparison.
That's entirely a different topic.
He's talking about a player who is mid to late first round draft pick who will out perform his draft position.
That player outperformed because he was drafted at the Junior level and at 21, not a raw 19 year old. Duarte did the same thing, except he was 23. White was much the same at 22. You act like you can disconnect the advanced age from the advanced skill set. They’re one and the same.
That doesn't even make sense. Just say Malaki Branham. Who is this year's Malaki Branham? Jalen Williams was pick 12. Was he really outperforming what you'd expect out of that pick? Who is this year's Herb Jones? Who is this year's Keldon Johnson? Who is this year's Batum? There are almost always players who do well later in the first round. And no one would be totally surprised if Black does well. If anything, he might be drafted too high and disappoint. But no one will say "Where'd he come from?"
If you want to talk Jalen Williams, then talk about what made him unusual as a prospect. Otherwise you're just picking different players and saying "They both play basketball."
EDIT: I guess you could say there's a Jalen Williams - Tyler Herro - Devin Booker type who gets picked at 12 or 13 who should have been picked much earlier (and may be a dynamic scoring type). In that case, it's probably Cason Wallace or maybe Keyonte George.
Your argument on age is pointless to obess over, everyone is on a different timeline in their development it doesn’t matter if they’re 18 or 23. I’m saying that a guy who could rise up the draftboards and be the surprise of the draft like Williams was this year. It has nothing to do with their age.
Hey, don't be so tough on Primo. The Spurs liked him a lot for his confidence when they drafted him. And if there is one thing we can all agree, the dude did have balls and he wasn't afraid to show them.
That's not even remotely true. Of the projected FRPs on TaT, only 9 out of 30 are older than 19. Go to the second round, and 21 out of 28 (2 picks forfeited) are over 19. That's not a ing accident or a coincidence.
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