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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    Anyone to the right of AOC are too conservative for whinehole.
    I'm not crazy about AOC, but that's basically right. Inasmuch as we have two corporatist, donor facing political parties, it's scarcely an exaggeration to say there's no left wing in US politics.

    There's a far right party and a center right party, both of which bow to money. The Dems are basically the controlled opposition to the incipient fascism of your side.

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    My own bias in favor of civil rights for women and nonwhites plus New Deal type coalition politics with a social democracy flavor basically makes me a fairly typical mid 20th century liberal, but the Overton window has shifted so far to the right in the last 40 years I might as well be a communist from another planet.

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    My own bias in favor of civil rights for women and nonwhites plus New Deal type coalition politics with a social democracy flavor basically makes me a fairly typical mid 20th century liberal, but the Overton window has shifted so far to the right in the last 40 years I might as well be a communist from another planet.
    Not really

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ion-1994-2017/

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    You want to vote for Frontier City flying car guy.

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    "If Trump gets the Republican nomination Biden will beat him badly again in 2024."

    Trash got 70M vs 78M in 2020,

    Trash has LOST voters, esp independents, will not sniff 70M again.

    But there's always the ed up Cons ution, and the bad faith, cheating, fascist Repugs and their dirty, dirty election tricks.

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    you used to be "we're a center right nation" guy.

    no more, I guess. you've gone hard right.

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    Who wants to see him mumble anyway

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    My own bias in favor of civil rights for women and nonwhites plus New Deal type coalition politics with a social democracy flavor basically makes me a fairly typical mid 20th century liberal, but the Overton window has shifted so far to the right in the last 40 years I might as well be a communist from another planet.
    If you are for civil rights for women why are you for biological males competing with biological women in women's sports?

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    If you are for civil rights for women why are you for biological males competing with biological women in women's sports?
    The incidence is minuscule, and sport can police itself. I'm against heavy handed legislative solutions for minor problems society can settle itself.

    That aside, I'm not sure there's any such thing as a right to compete in sex segregated sports, that's more like a social more, and customs sometimes change. I have a hard time seeing who's injured here besides sore losers, and I tend to doubt there's such a thing as people who gender transition because they want to win at sports.
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    The incidence is minuscule, and sport can police itself. I'm against heavy handed legislative solutions for minor problems society can settle itself.

    That aside, I'm not sure there's any such thing as a right to compete in sex segregated sports, that's more like a social more, and customs sometimes change. I have a hard time seeing who's injured here besides sore losers, and I tend to doubt there's such a thing as people who gender transition because they want to win at sports.
    yeah, there's no difference...

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    yeah, there's no difference...

    I didn't say there's no difference, I said mores and customs are changeable.

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    The statistically vanishing instance of trans people in compe ive sport is so important to Republicans that it can derail any thread, apparently.

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    If you are for civil rights for women why are you for biological males competing with biological women in women's sports?
    It's better than voting for the party who would rather let a teen girl rape victim with complications die than allow her to abort.

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    It's better than voting for the party who would rather let a teen girl rape victim with complications die than allow her to abort.
    Yeah, that's stupid. We agree.

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    Yeah, that's stupid. We agree.
    yet, that's your party

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    Yeah, that's stupid. We agree.
    We agree it's stupid you keep voting for them?

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    We agree it's stupid you keep voting for them?
    I selectively vote for them. Crossed over several times last election. I don't just close my eyes and vote straight ticket like you do.

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    I selectively vote for them. Crossed over several times last election. I don't just close my eyes and vote straight ticket like you do.
    Just curious which Republican goes against party lines on the abortion issue?

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    I selectively vote for them. Crossed over several times last election. I don't just close my eyes and vote straight ticket like you do.
    My eyes are wide open.

    I vote for the party that doesn't prefer death for teen rape and incest victims over abortion. I vote for the party that didn't try to keep Trump in power after Biden curbstomped him. I vote for the party that isn't trying to negate the will of voters by suppressing the vote of people darker than us. I vote for the party that isn't outlawing drag shows and actual true history and books that maybe hint that people other than white heteros...exist.

    You vote for all of this bull .

    Selectively.

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    I vote for the party
    We already know you are a political party puppet.

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    We already know you are a political party puppet.
    What's the alternative?

    Which Democrats did you vote for this past election and why?

    Let's discuss your choices and all the realistic choices available.

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    CC trying so hard to do anything but be labeled liberal.

    I'm not trying to go out and be a liberal but there's not anything the conservatives practice or preach that is any good for the country

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    Jim Jordan would make a competent POTUS and win the rust belt back. But he isn't running...



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    Rofl Gym Jordan as POTUS

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    Watching Biden speak is extremely painful, so I'm glad he doesn't do pressers. But I'll probably tune into the one today for the lulz

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