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We’re far apart on the IQ— I think he’s got boat loads.
ex, do we make the bet before or after the lottery? My bad, man.
Scoot Henderson
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Height: 6-foot-2
Weight: 195 pounds
College: G League Ignite
Position: PG
Draft Range: 2-4
Spurs Comparison: Tony Parker plus athleticism minus basketball IQ
Strengths: Powerful athleticism, finishing potential, playmaking variety, relentlessness
Weaknesses: Three-point shooting, decision-making, lack of defensive switchability
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We’re far apart on the IQ— I think he’s got boat loads.
ex, do we make the bet before or after the lottery? My bad, man.
It has to be after. Kind of moot if we're picking 5th. We can circle back here after the lottery and lock down the details. Someone pointed out that in the previous discussion there were scenarios where neither of us won.
I don't understand why we keep thinking that athleticism is only jumping. Tony Parker was an incredible athlete. He was one of the fastest players of his era.
that wingspan is impressive, that kill the idea of a 6'2 guard without a lot of other physical attributes other than athletism.
Do not want. Ball heavy guards that don't shoot the 3 well are a hindrance to ball movement such that what juice they bring isn't worth the squeeze. He's a subpar 3pt shooter (less than 30%) and MAYBE an average assist guy (~7apg).
I understand hes young but even projecting him out, his shortcomings elsewhere aren't worth the easy buckets he gets you. Add in the defensive inep ude and he's simply not gonna be worthy of an overall #2. I'd much rather have Bilal. Or even Miller.
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He reminds me more of Westbrook than Parker. Athletic, physical, finishes great in the open, can't shoot.
He might be the best option at 2 or 3 but I'm hoping that will be mooted soon.
His archetype (Francis, Davis, Rose, Westbrook, Wall, Fox, Morant) yields a high probably of being at least All-Star caliber but also inherent limitations that makes it at minimum extremely difficult (impossible?) to win with at the highest level.
Still, he'd be a no brainer at 2 and if the Pistons get 2 and they're at 3, they should be putting on a full court press.
How many LOBs amongst all those 7? I agree with your comparison just not your conclusion to then ultimately draft him. In fact I think you inadvertently made the case NOT to draft him.
I'm thinking, with a Draft like this coming up and while those detriments may be very real, he could be turned into a very valuable trade piece in the next few years as they build, if nothing else.
I'm way higher on Henderson than I am Miller and the Thompson twins. I appreciate his maturity and compe iveness. Really good signs.
What worries me about him:
- He's actually a very poor defender, glossed over in this analysis. Can he get better?
- He's very inefficient
- He's high usage
And, admittedly it's from highlights, but all I ever see is him driving. Can he facilitate an offense other than just trying to get into the defense and kicking out? Because, even with his strength, that's not going to work as much.
My big question is whether he has to be ball-dominant to be effective. Does he have to control the ball with his 30% usage rate? Or can he scale down and still be good? Right now, I don't expect him to deserve the ball in his hands that much, not with his efficiency problems.
Anyway, I'm higher on him than the other guys in his range, but I don't know if he can play off-ball in any fashion at all. Which means you may be stuck hoping he's actually your guard of the future, or if he's a Bradley Beale type who will just feed you into perpetual mediocrity.
As ever, context is everything.
There's very few players that can be the best and/or go-to player on a championship caliber team, so if that's the criteria, 99%+ are out.
Miller, for example, is a more malleable type, but probably not a centerpiece player and no team needs that like this one does.
So even if the ultimate ceiling of a Henderson led team is good but not good enough, as I said that goes for 99+% anyway.
Scoot Henderson Thinks He Should Go Number One
I tell Henderson the draft experts have him at either #2 or #3 behind the ascending Miller of the University of Alabama and Wembanyama. “Yeah, I think I should go one,” Henderson says. “I know I’m gonna go one.” Does going first overall really matter? “Yes. Of course.” He gets stern as he answers, a bit confused I’d even ask. “Who doesn’t want to go one?”He might have problems getting through the door with that ego.I ask if he’ll be okay with it if he does actually fall to #3 on draft night. “Nah,” he says. “It’s not acceptable.”
He reads (“The Secret, The Four Agreements, The Seven Spiritual Laws of Success”)
Translation: he's probably 6'0" or 6'1"When I ask Jeter how tall Scoot is, he tells me: “He’s 6-monster. The boy can jump. He’s explosive. He’s getting that leadership in him. It’s about how big that heart is. Heart over height. Always.” Jeter sees Henderson’s closest comp as Duke-era Jay Williams, who went second overall before his career was derailed by a motorcycle crash. Jeter also mentions Eric Bledsoe’s name
All in all, I'd take Scoot at #2 or #3, but if a trade down gets us one top 6 pick plus another good prospect / lottery pick that allows us to pick one (say Cam Whitmore or Taylor Hendricks + Anthony Black or something along those lines) then I'd really consider it.
I think the thing to remember with who we take is what kind of team can SA build. It's historically NOT one through free agency. Which is the genius of Pop is that he recognized he needed to build a team of unselfish team ball types. So drafting Scoot seems an hetical to achieving success given he's a ball heavy guard. Yes, Miller is more malleable and does fit that role player mode better. Plus I could see a player like Miller sticking around. Scoots got that I'm gonna be a Laker or in Miami vibe about him.
Again though, after delving into Bilal Coulibaly's film, that's my #2 ALL DAY. Kid is just starting to show the world his game.
Makes no sense to consider trading a projected centerpiece for decent starters to good backups.
Pop lucked into a cadre of uncommonly unselfish superstars and stars to set the "culture" and "system" (for a time) that virtually any executive/coach would prefer.
Don't forget though, for much of Duncan's prime, the Spurs were very much an ISO team and in the brief S bag-Aldridge era, reverted to being one.
The reality is, most successful NBA teams are built around a heliocentric(s) players and thinking they're going to recreate some form of the "beautiful game" is fools gold.
I also wouldn't be concerned with Henderson fitting in since that issue likely wouldn't come to the forefront until midway during his second contract.
Does your team consider him a projected centerpiece? Or do other teams and you don't? In that case, you trade him for a package.
timvp do u still not watch college basketball
Proof the ITV posted a couple of months here was pure PR stuff from his agents.. This is the real Scoot, and I hope spurs don't pick him, which I believe they won't.Scoot Henderson Thinks He Should Go Number One
He might have problems getting through the door with that ego.
Translation: he's probably 6'0" or 6'1"
All in all, I'd take Scoot at #2 or #3, but if a trade down gets us one top 6 pick plus another good prospect / lottery pick that allows us to pick one (say Cam Whitmore or Taylor Hendricks + Anthony Black or something along those lines) then I'd really consider it.
Channel all energy into the Spurs acquiring Wama and a return to dignity and victories.
This is soooo overstated. During the season, I believe it was the first game against Orlando— Jeremy Sochan was quoted as saying he wants to show everyone why he should have been picked number 1 in the draft over Banchero. Guess he’s a terrible person for saying that.
That's an indisputably sound conclusion, if you agree on the PREMISES. Obviously I do not.
For the record, I have no doubt Scoot will be at least an above average point guard, I do buy his court vision and willingness to involve his teammates (not because he doesn't have an ego, but rather because he buys it's aligned with his own goals), and he clearly is a pretty good athlete. However, unless you're a monster getting to the rim and finishing (like Derrick Rose) or a very good shooter beyond (like Chris Paul, who's also a savant), chances you're a franchise's centerpiece at 6'1" or so are slim at best. Scoot is empirically a mediocre shooter from long range, and what worries me the most is that a lot of the time he settles for inefficient mid range jumpers against lesser talent. That doesn't scream NBA superstar to me. I do expect him to improve and it wouldn't suprise me to see him shoot above 34% eventually, but he has to be elite at either of those (if not BOTH) for him to achieve the kind of success that's being expected from him.
On the other hand, I think Cam Whitmore, Taylor Hendricks and Anthony Black have better positional size and are more versatile, and are good bets to eventually be quality starters on a contender at least, possibly more. So getting at least 2 shots at it sounds good to me, given I don't think Scoot is a lock to be a super star. May be, maybe not. But if no such deal is on the table, sure, I'll gladly take my chances with him.
Got no beef with this kind of confidence. The Spurs are hiring an NBA Player, not a Supply Chain Analyst. Give me these kind of guys.
More concerned about whether he can shoot a basketball.
Eh I’d rather have Miller if we want to win a le. But I don’t think we are winning les any time soon. You basically have to have a top 20 player all time to win a championship. Not always since there are outliers in the 04 pistons and 08 Celtics and 19 Raps. But for the most part.
But for playoffs then I want Scoot. He is the type of player to lead a team to the playoffs. And if we are lucky then the WCFs.
To expound on Miller I think he is the perfect malleable number 2 guy. His game will fit in with any franchise player. Or he could be a great 3 player like a Chris Bosh. But either way his game is very complimentary and suits more for a le if we ever do draft a franchise guy. While Scoot needs the ball in his hand to be effective.
could def see that. if spurs dont think henderson fits with what they see this team being long term they could def be in a great position to still add multiple great assets because of how good the talent is in the top half of this draft.
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