Bucks Fire Mike Budenholzer

[Barfunk]

To put it into perspective:

Pop's coaching tree has multiple: Coach of the year awards, best record seasons, and championships across more than one basketball league.

Meanwhile, Phil Jackson's coaching tree has Derek Fisher.

[MultiTroll]

And I knew about the recent contract signing. I'm just saying that deep down he probably wants to bolt to a big market eventually via a trade request etc. (though I don't know all the details of the contract) and now he's having the Bucks front office walk on eggs s to maybe find that excuse to go to said big market eventually.

I mean how in the are you gonna get your coach fired that you just won a championship with in 2021? How in the is he not "your coach" after all that? Guarantee the Bucks won't win now from here on out, outside some early playoff exits (maybe some conference finals appearances but I predict no more championships) and Giannis could likely use that as an excuse to bolt to Miami, New York, LA, Golden State etc etc.

Pop haters can say what they want about his coaching tree, but his tree has lots of regular and post season success to include championships across more than one league.

After winning a Chip, how many years of suckage should a head coach be given til an improvement is considered?

Remember when Timmy Dunks came within a Doc Rivers "you can't have your family members flying on the team plane" from joining Orlando?

The myth that he always was and alway would be a Pop loyalist is fairy tale.

Pop rode Tims coatails, not the other way around.

Is Freak the equivalent of Tim. Not so far, although i call his 21 Chip year Duncanlike.
Jrue Holliday and Middlton were GNob and Parker that year. But they both the bed this recent playoff ouster.

[daslicer]

To put it into perspective:

Pop's coaching tree has multiple: Coach of the year awards, best record seasons, and championships across more than one basketball league.

Meanwhile, Phil Jackson's coaching tree has Derek Fisher.

Phil can claim Steve Kerr. Kerr is more like Phil as a coach then he is Pop.

[ducks]

To put it into perspective:

Pop's coaching tree has multiple: Coach of the year awards, best record seasons, and championships across more than one basketball league.

Meanwhile, Phil Jackson's coaching tree has Derek Fisher.

The reason to coach is to win les not to produce coaches for other teams
That is what the spurs pay pop their coach not to Produce coaches for other teams


He needs to spend more time on the players not coaches

[Spursfanfromafar]

Phil can claim Steve Kerr. Kerr is more like Phil as a coach then he is Pop.

Lol. Not true. Kerr's Warriors template has been the 2014 Spurs "Beautiful ball"..except they play that style with two of the greatest shooters of all time, a perennial DPOY contender and an underrated all star who replaced a Top 15 player/all time gunner in Kevin Durant.

[Barfunk]

After winning a Chip, how many years of suckage should a head coach be given til an improvement is considered?

Remember when Timmy Dunks came within a Doc Rivers "you can't have your family members flying on the team plane" from joining Orlando?

The myth that he always was and alway would be a Pop loyalist is fairy tale.

Pop rode Tims coatails, not the other way around.

Is Freak the equivalent of Tim. Not so far, although i call his 21 Chip year Duncanlike.
Jrue Holliday and Middlton were GNob and Parker that year. But they both the bed this recent playoff ouster.

As far as the coatails no coach has won without the players. We honestly should've rang in 2017 if it weren't for the dirty play on Kawhi. So we've sucked since what Demar's third season. Pop has done what he could to try and build and move the team forward as evident by the nice tank job this season.

[Barfunk]

Phil can claim Steve Kerr. Kerr is more like Phil as a coach then he is Pop.

As Spursfanfromafar just said, Kerr strikes me more as a Pop type of coach but I'll give you that, maybe 50-50 Phil Claxton and Pop. Kerr has said that Phillip has influenced his coaching but it's clear that Pop has as well, so I'll give that 50-50. Outside of that one piece, Claxton's tree is essentially garbage.

[Barfunk]

The reason to coach is to win les not to produce coaches for other teams
That is what the spurs pay pop their coach not to Produce coaches for other teams


He needs to spend more time on the players not coaches

Well producing coaches is just something else he's good at. I'd rather he have a good track record there than not. And yes he had the players, but he's got 5 chips in a market ESPN and the other outlets despise, so there's also that. Your boy Pillip Claxton has arguably 4 extra chips via rigged officiating and a rigged lopsided trade to save the Lakers (2000, 2002, 2009, 2010) in the NBA's flagship market where everyone wants to be at.

[JPB]

Haters gotta hate tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean Jackson has 11 rings. Who gives a that nobody else he mentored did well. Phil Jackson never cost his team a championship. I can’t say the same about Pop

[exstatic]

I mean Jackson has 11 rings. Who gives a that nobody else he mentored did well. Phil Jackson never cost his team a championship. I can’t say the same about Pop

2004

[MultiTroll]

2004

From down 0-2 to Spurs to a 4-0 backdoor butt ramming of CIA Pop and the Spurs.

Please continue.

[exstatic]

From down 0-2 to Spurs to a 4-0 backdoor butt ramming of CIA Pop and the Spurs.

Please continue.

They lost to a Detroit team without a superstar, and they had 4.

[MultiTroll]

They lost to a Detroit team without a superstar, and they had 4.

Nice change of subject.

If you're claiming the Lakers roster was better then the Spurs with Prime Timmy Duncar, GNob and Parker......blow.
Stop calling 48 year old Malone, Payton and media created good role player Kirby Bryant superstars.
Phil also named his kidney stone "Kirby" because "it wouldn't pass."
If you're going to fabricate Pop would have somehow reached Kirbys selfishness, just stop.

Simple adjustment was Gary Payton suggesting to Phildo that the Lakers switch to running more pic n roll. They did.
CIA Pop made no counter move.

4-0.

[exstatic]

Nice change of subject.

If you're claiming the Lakers roster was better then the Spurs with Prime Timmy Duncar, GNob and Parker......blow.
Stop calling 48 year old Malone, Payton and media created good role player Kirby Bryant superstars.
Phil also named his kidney stone "Kirby" because "it wouldn't pass."
If you're going to fabricate Pop would have somehow reached Kirbys selfishness, just stop.

Simple adjustment was Gary Payton suggesting to Phildo that the Lakers switch to running more pic n roll. They did.
CIA Pop made no counter move.

4-0.

It was Phil’s fault. He’s supposed to be the Diva whisperer, but he wasn’t in 2004. Not in 2009, either, come to think of it.

[MultiTroll]

It was Phil’s fault. He’s supposed to be the Diva whisperer, but he wasn’t in 2004. Not in 2009, either, come to think of it.

True, he should have benched Kirby in 2004.

But he got them past Pop, right?
And how did Pop n Pets Michael Finley and Bonner do in 2009?

[exstatic]

True, he should have benched Kirby in 2004.

But he got them past Pop, right?
And how did Pop n Pets Michael Finley and Bonner do in 2009?

Now YOU'RE changing the subject, which is championships blown by Pop and Phil. What Pop did or didn't do in 2009 is irrelevant, since Phil screwed the pooch against Boston.

[MultiTroll]

Now YOU'RE changing the subject, which is championships blown by Pop and Phil. What Pop did or didn't do in 2009 is irrelevant, since Phil screwed the pooch against Boston.

I'd rather go with being in 13 Championship series with Timmy Duncs vs getting punked earlier and not making the Finals.
2008 you're blaming Phil for not benching Kirby or what?

[KobesAchilles]

2004

Malone was hurt. Fisher had the worst shooting series of his career. He shot 17% from 3 that series. And really Kobe just went rogue and didn’t listen to a word Phil said. Kobe admitted as such and so did Phil in his book. The dude shot 38% from the field and refused to move the ball the way the triangle was designed to do. And idgaf what anyone says, you can’t bench a superstar for a whole series.

[KobesAchilles]

Meanwhile Pop refused to foul when the Heat needed a three. And he benched his best rebounder on the team when the team needed a rebound. Two colossally stupid things to do

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Pop went to San Antonio Texas and became the winningest coach in the history of the NBA yet people want to throw stones. It's funny in a sad kind of way.


Ask fans in ANY other NBA city if they'd take a coach who could string together 20 years of 50 win seasons with 5 championships thrown in for good measure and they'd say yes. And the coach of that team should have statues erected in his honor.

As someone who was a fan for the 23 years prior to that first championship I can attest to the fact that what the Spurs had was pretty special, and not repeatable.

[rjv]

the habit of handpicking a whit of samples from a much larger volume, in order to support a premise, is a slippery slope-and often is the habit of those with a bias.

[tonight...you]

I'd rather go with being in 13 Championship series with Timmy Duncs vs getting punked earlier and not making the Finals.
2008 you're blaming Phil for not benching Kirby or what?

I'm actually wondering how the Triangle would have fit Timmy with Parker and Manu.
Probably like a glove, but then I also think Phil probably wouldn't have let the team draft Tony, or Manu.

[ambchang]

I’m dismayed that pop made big mistakes in his quarter of a century of coaching. Come to think of it, duncan is a freaking scrub because he missed a ft.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I wonder what Giannis has to say about it. I’m sure he was asked prior to the firing. When Mark Jackson was fired, apparently the team was young and has not won a ring despite getting to the playoffs B2B after 20 years.

COTY is odd. There is no other way but down. Nurse, Vogel and now Bud. Only Kerr is left of the most recent championship coaches.

Freak: Yeah, Bud has got to go. He didn’t make any adjustments to stop me from missing 13 free throws in a close-out game we lost by 2 points.