Yikes !!This was a meme for a while.
That shot form committed all sorts of atrocities against the game of basketball.
I had a look a MKG's FG% and it's actually not too bad at 47%. I am guessing he got all his points inside the paint. His 3P%, though, was about 27% on average, so yeah, this guy couldn't shoot at all.
Having said that, whoever didn't correct his shot when he was younger should be ashamed of themselves letting him shoot with that form.
Amen White!
James White who?
I'm extremely skeptical of the Thompsons, because of this:
and this:
All in all, I can't get my head around this:
The only caveat I will concede is this:
The Spurs have more information than any of us do, so obviously they're in a much more advantageous position to make their assessment. If we fall down to 6 or 7 and all of Wemby, Scoot, Brandon Miller, Cam Whitmore and Taylor Hendricks are gone, you were dealt a bad hand and, though I'd rather trade back (if we can get Anthony Black or Keyonte George + something) or away (say for an interesting prospect or two, or really good picks), I'd understand taking your chances with him over Jarace Walker (I'm not super fond of him) or Anthony Black (whom I'd prefer but yes, his ceiling isn't superstar clearly). But if any of those guys are there, I'd sleep much better going with them instead.
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It's unbelievable how bad OTE is. Even watching highlights the ridiculous defense pops out at you. Even the size of the other players. They look like scrubs at a YMCA.
The Scoot thread had a lot of back-and-forth, but this one seems dead. Very few fans here are enamored of this guy. Out of high school, he received some college interest. ESPN had him as a 5-star, Rivals as a 4-star. Seems like he got offered by KS, AL, and a few smaller Florida schools.
Subsequently, two years at OTE. First year, middling. Second year, better but not even dominant against players 2-4 years younger, many of whom are actually still in high school (!) and mostly 3-star at best.
Some GM is going to take this guy and really regret it.
For me, it’s definitely a difficult draft to get a handle on. Outside Wemby, lots of uncertainty.
The twins are why I’m interested in trading back if we don’t get Wemby. Two fool GMs are going to take them, leaving players of higher value at 5-7.
Yup. If we don't get Wemby and we think we can get a solid two way player (like Bilal, IMO) at 8 or 9, then do it. Because I'm of the opinion that every top player being talked about comes with a serious hiccup in their game (except Bilal).
Bilal doesn't look that great. Looks weaker than Cam, doesn't have the power that Cam has, or the quickness/power that the Twins and Scoot have . He doesn't have the star upside that the guys I mentioned have.
Spurs have a team full of role players, non all star talents. Don't try to outsmart what the consensus is.
Spurs need to swing for the highest upside players with intangible athleticism. Players who they feel they can work with to get the most out of their skills.
I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you've said (aside from Bilal not having the same quickness as TT and Scoot. Few do. Few have their other problems too). I wouldn't draft those guys if my job depended on it.
I mean have you even looked at Bilal's tape...even ONCE?
Sports Illustrated lists him as having "explosive leaping ability off both one and two feet" and who is able to play "above the rim with relative ease." So not quite sure like at all where you conclude he doesn't have the star upside?? He's athletic as furk. Just as much as any of the top guys you've been told are better.
Cam's per 36 is not as good as Bilal's. Bilal is a better on ball defender (more steals per 36 than OG Anunoby who led the NBA, lol). He's a slightly better FT shooter, similar 3 pt shooter. Etc.
So you're telling me in all seriousness that Bilal "doesn't look that great" even though he's a superb athlete, better defender than probably anyone in the draft, is also 18, played against better compe ion that Scoot and TTs, and listen to this part carefully...whose game got tremendously better from his 2022 season to his 2023 season?
Now, I'll give you Cam is a good looking player, and I'd take him way ahead of those other cats, but still...
I just hope that Brian Wright did his homework better than what you just did with this, "the quickness/power that the Twins and Scoot have" (as though they have no gaping holes elsewhere) or we'll end up with a player that comes in with serious question marks.
One positive of this fighting about the guys below Wembanyama is that I've 100% given up on us getting #1 overall so that when we do it'll be like Christmas morning. And if we don't, I'll be prepared to laugh at who we pick because everyone is so ready to write off a better player.
Of course I've watched his tape and he doesn't look as good as the guys I mentioned in comparison for the reasons I've stated.
Everyone can go watch his tape and make their own conclusions and comparisons with Cam, Scoot and the Thompsons.
I'll take any of those guys over Bilal.
That's the beauty of a sports message board: we are both more than able to post our opinions and have them hang on here for eternity for any and all future members to roast us for.
He broke his arm or dislocated his elbow at a young age, thus leading to him shooting in that very awkward/unnatural manner.
lol forgot about MKG and that wonky release
There was that guy Ronnie Brewer I think who also had a weird jumpshot because of a childhood broken arm.
As intriguing as prospect and athlete Amen is, the guy has too many serious warts (and question marks) for me to want the Spurs to draft him top 3.
If we fall out of the top three, then sure take a huge gamble on the biggest boom or bust prospect. , I would actually take his brother before Amen if we land the 3rd pick, since he has better jumper and more "intangibles" than Amen.
I totally get hesitation towards Amen in the top 3. Though I’m leaning into it, I recognize it could be a disaster. So I’m curious for those who want to stay away from Amen and Scoot if we are at 2 or 3, then who is your choice? Meaning, I get he has red flags, and it’s easy to critique, but who is your pick then?
Yes it would be interesting to have some choices if we pick 2 or 3 without the offers to trading back, personnaly i have the same top 3 as the consensus with wemby scooy and miller.
My board is Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Cam Whitmore, Taylor Hendricks, Anthony Black. Any of those I'm comfortable with.
As for Scoot, it isn't that I think he's a bust: on the contrary, I think his floor is at the very least good NBA starter, with flashy stat padder making a couple All Star games being definitely possible. But his archetype requires him to make great leaps in a few key areas to be a true difference maker (mainly shooting from 3 but also being a more efficient finisher at the basket), and if the ultimate goal is to put together a winning team, if a good offer that gets you Cam Whitmore or Taylor Hendricks + other valuable assets is on the table I think that warrants serious consideration. I'll take him if that's not a possibility though, unlike the Thompsons that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole (unless picking 7 and all of them gone... then whatever).
So if the spurs land a top 3 pick, Obviously it’s Wemby, Scoot, Miller. If we land anywhere between 4-7, it could be any sort of possibilities but not gonna find a prospect with a higher ceiling then Amen Imo
His floor is scary low, like out of the league in 2-3 years if he was just beating up on 15 YOs.
if spurs don't get #1, i'm happy with them trading back
The Spurs won't draft Miller.
Top 3 Wemby, Scoot and Amen Thompson
Yeah, that’s a fair take. If they don’t want anything to do with Miller (very possible) then it sort of puts Cam higher up as a possibility for us, going by your board. Cam has less risk of falling out of the league but concerning that he couldn’t get his team into the tournament, and seems to play with a style that doesn’t include much passing or team oriented play. I think of him as our pick with the third pick potentially and then go back to pondering a home run swing with Amen. To me it’s a challenging draft.
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