Per 36, their turnovers pg were almost identical, but Sochan got one and a half more assists per 36. Comparison really doesn't look good for Cam.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...-jeremy-sochan
Amen plays shooting guard and cannot shoot? He played against much younger players? Sochan is a power forward whose skill set wasn't supposed to be an outside shooter?
I think Amen can improve, but he spent two years in a kiddie league and never got better. What was he doing with all his time?
Jeremy Sochan is actually younger than Amen Thompson btw.
G-League IS fast-tracking players. That's the point. That's why G-League exists.
Do people think it's a punishment, like a gulag, where they bring you back if you promise to play better? A guy who needs work on certain skills can sometimes not get it on the NBA court or actually get worse.
Not saying they aren't. Just saying the team will most likely keep a top 7 player on the biggie squad no matter what due to the investment.
You can believe what you want.
Thumb's up bubba.
I'm not talking about who played where. I'm talking about 3 point shooting and both Sochan and Amen are poor 3 pt shooters.
If you believe Sochan will improve than why not Amen. They are the same age.
Cam looks better overall offensively. Just needs a little improvement in assit totals but I wouldn't say Sochan gets so many more assits at one and a half per game more.
No reason to cross Cam off as undesireable as a draft prospect.
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That Amen is considered too old is a weird trend for the league in my opinion. Yes, stars should be developed early to maximize their potential, but to me he’s still young. A slight bit of maturity being 20 instead of 18 is probably a good thing.
From what I understand he was homeschooled for a while, so I’m not sure how his age got so high so to speak, if that’s the concern, but from what I understand, he skipped out his senior year of high school to place his first season for overtime elite, and then just had his second season, which would’ve been his first season in college. So I get that his age is older, but it doesn’t quite add up to me.
Of course he may bust but I wouldn’t pick Hendricks or Anthony Black before him, as much as I think both of them will be decent pros. I probably wouldn’t pick Cam either. I would pick Brandon Miller over Amen but the Spurs probably won’t. I like Jarace Walker so he’s maybe a player I’d take before Amen. We will be picking relatively high obviously so there’s only so many options. Of course the Spurs could reach for a player at 3 or 4 we don’t expect, like Anthony Black, but I think they want a home run swing with at least some upside. Also, I think Amen’s floor is being understated somewhat. Yes, his jumper could make him unplayable but his driving and passing could also translate quickly. Hard to say for sure. So given the options or lack there of, I’m still considering Amen.
This is what timvp said. “There’s absolutely no way the Spurs draft and keep him,” a league source told me when asked about the possibility of San Antonio drafting Brandon Miller. “No way. None.”
A League source? Someone who has some type of connection with the Spurs who timvp won't say.
You said spurs told him in your post, and it was a league league source, left undefined. You stepped in dog , yet again. He’s mentioned in the past that he has an EC front office source, but never mentioned a direct Spurs source.
You said it was an eastern conference gm what timvp said and that is not what he said.
I don’t believe the Amen hype if your playing PG and you suck at shooting and at shooting free throws and your 20 years old count me out. He will crack as when he plays no one will step out of the paint to guard him and when he does take a shot and it is a brick or air ball people are going to let him know it. This will destroy any confidence he does have right now I am looking at him like Blake a 3 year project that was our third pick.
I very openly don't know. Heck, I don't particularly even care. I want them to draft who they like. I don't really like anyone at this point. But in my mind, the Spurs drafting for floor, disqualifying folks for character without actually talking to them or worrying about their current depth chart are things they could factor in beyond just BPA. I want them to avoid all of that, and a lot of the evaluations I've seen factor those things in. As I've said I do think a number of folks are sort of panicking about this pick and assuming it has to be a franchise-defining pick for the club. But it doesn't, even if it's the first-overall pick. The Spurs have gotten absurdly lucky on all three of their top-five picks. That's not normal, and I doubt it'll hold up forever. So while we should all hope they nail this pick, it'll be okay if they don't. I'd much rather them draft a bust they think will be the best player left in the draft than pick a guy they believe will just be safe. That's the difference between a top-five pick and a late-lotto in my mind.
Great reasoning.At thinking this is even a legitimate debate. This is way worse than you pretending Collins is a "PF" for nonsensical reasons. It's so bad, it's one of the worst takes I've ever seen.
Sochan was handed a starting job and Branham was basically the 6th man (when the starting five were all active) in relatively short order, but a higher pedigreed prospect is going to sit, for who exactly? Give your head a shake.
Mostly agree, but if they end up top 3-4 and the next two drafts are as weak as currently projected, this one might end up more meaningful than it typically would be.
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I'm not really sure if you s really understand English or what. Sochan started because he understood what he was supposed to do on both sides of the ball. Braham played when he showed the same.Great reasoning.
Sochan was handed a starting job and Branham was basically the 6th man (when the starting five were all active) in relatively short order, but a higher pedigreed prospect is going to sit, for who exactly? Give your head a shake.
Mostly agree, but if they end up top 3-4 and the next two drafts are as weak as currently projected, this one might end up more meaningful than it typically would be.
If a #3 pick doesn't know what the he's supposed to do on the court, they're going to move him down a grade until he learns what to do. Going against the ing lions is ing stupid at that point, but then you idiots would do that I suppose cuz 'reasons.'
Just pure dumb ery. I continually don't understand how this franchise has some of the stupidest 'fans' out there.
And yes, Collins can play PF. He did for Portland. ing . Just garbage people.
'24 is supposed to be weak and '25 very strong. I wouldn't know though, it's too far ahead and if you go back one year there's plenty of busts that were overhyped and talent coming out of nowhere. Right now it's '23 draft time, countdown to W-Day next tuesday.
You can’t really tell what a whole draft is in advance, but you can see a generational player a year out, and there isn’t one next year.
I beg to differ. Give me a 18 player with great potential who still didn't grow bad habbits (on and off the court) that might be hard to fix and who may be more willing to listen and learn than a 20 older guy who may also be a bit more self-en led. Specially for a spurs team who isn't in win-now mode and has the time do mold and help develop there youngsters. Spurs just need talent now, not maturity (not that I'm sure Amen is that more mature), and the fact he's already 20 and played vs teens without really dominating is orange/red flag considering all his flaws.
Maybe. Maturity also involves being physically mature. But it depends on the player. In my opinion a lot of players burn out because they come into the league too soon and aren’t ready for it.
I don't think they burn out, I think they have the wrong point of view. They see the NBA draft as the finish line instead of the starting line. Way too happy just to be drafted, as if that guarantees a career. Then they don't put in the work, and they're on the street before they know it.
Me, I don't think 20 is that big of a deal. Mikal Bridges was nearly 22 when he was drafted, at #10, and is at least a very good role-player but maybe more. Keegan Murray was undersold last year in part because of his age.
The league is fetishizing superyoung players to an extreme right now, preferring an undeveloped 18 or young 19 year old over a good upperclassman who may be showing more stuff. Incidentally, why bargains may be found later in the draft.
In part, maybe this is good, since the NBA is increasingly a specialized league. It's requiring less all-around wonders and more players who can activate certain narrow skillsets to a high level.
Or, it's a trend that will screw up players and distort things.
Regardless, the reason the Thompson's age seem somewhat alarming are twofold, I'd say:
1) They are so undeveloped even after playing in this professional league for two years. These are key developmental years, not just physically but in gameplay. It will get harder to develop those things against far better defenders and schema in the NBA. What were they doing for two years? Will we regret them not doing more with that time?
2) They were playing against much younger guys constantly. A 32 year-old playing against a 28 or 30 year-old is not a big deal, but a 20 year-old playing against 16 and 18 year-olds is an astounding difference, as those players are often not physically mature.
So... We have two guys, in the twins, who have gaping holes in their games, and while they put up somewhat appealing stats (those rebound, assist numbers), they were done against teenagers who aren't highly ranked, plus they somehow weren't actually that dominant.
imo, the thompson twins are being graded the way high school football players are giving their ratings by sites like rivals. sometimes, it's all about the metrics and how they demonstrate themselves in 7 on 7 camps. sometimes, there isn't any attention paid to their film or the level of compe ion; it's just how big, strong and fast they are. i've seen some kids get 5 star ratings and can't understand how they are rated so high. it's a different sport, of course, but i think this is the manner in which the thompsons are being viewed.
It makes you wonder why they chose the OTE to play. I am sure they could have gone to the Ignite if they wanted to stay out of school. It really makes you wonder who they are taking advice from. Does anyone know the story here?
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