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He's not on CBS' Top 50 list, but he is on the entry list. Those 2 are not one and the same. Use your browsers' search function and you'll find him in a few seconds.
I don’t think so his name is not on the official NBA combine list?
He's not on CBS' Top 50 list, but he is on the entry list. Those 2 are not one and the same. Use your browsers' search function and you'll find him in a few seconds.
So in your mind, signing an extension above the MLE is worse than not getting an extension and then signing for less than the MLE? Are you sure you wouldn't like to pick a different hill to die on?
I never said anything close to that. I think you know that, and deliberately misconstrued my words to mask your awful take. Wondering what Lonnie’s extension offer was is far different from advocating for rejecting it and signing a QO level offer.
One of the few things I would do differently than I did originally on this board would be to NOT recommend you to LJ to moderate the Think Tank. Everyone has a brain fart on occasion, and that was a doozy.
Wondering how many of you guys have seen what this kid can do? To me , 30 seconds of scanning his year over year stats combined with even a cursory glimpse of his height and reach, skills, and athletic abilities should convince you he's ahead of Scoot, Thompson twins, Miller, etc. Not sure if I've been this high on a kid in a while. Outside of Wemby he's a #1 pick. His rim attacking and Eurostep remind me of Manu. In fact I can't imagine PATFO isn't seeing this too. He's special. He's gonna be really good.
Do yourself a favor and watch some highlights and scan his stats. And the things he's not good at now, like TOs is precisely the kind of thing that good coaching can change unlike shooting or defensive instinct.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/sta...109181451?s=19
https://twitter.com/fra_sempru/statu...557535233?s=19
https://twitter.com/basket_reportfr/...566170627?s=19
https://twitter.com/homahoops/status...439184896?s=19
https://twitter.com/tmetcalf11/statu...522184198?s=19
Mocks have him going to Jazz. He's exactly the kind of pick Will Hardy will get and rape us with for the next 15 years. Would love to get #1, grab Wembanyama then trade back up and get Bilal.
I didn't give a about your Lonnie argument man. I didn't reference it and won't do so again. No one was talking about Lonnie's contract. The point is that getting an extension for above-average money is not a "low-end" contract. He's literally one of 10 players from his class that got offered one (and no, not the smallest, as that went to Little). He will get paid more over the next four years than most of the players who didn't get extensions. It's a good sum that shows a team is invested in a player. No, Clarke is not a star, but he's been a fine pick and player for him. His numbers bare that out, even though his block and steal numbers aren't good enough for you. That's the point, that Clarke has a good contract that he wouldn't've gotten had he been a worse player. It has nothing to do with Lonnie or anyone else. Just Clarke being a good player who has limitations and certainly not a cautionary tale that should inform why Amen should be discounted.
I do think you should let the Clarke thing go. I'm glad the Spurs have Sochan now, but Clarke would've been a good pick for the Spurs, especially seeing as they had a need for a win-now player with defensive chops on a cheap contract. I wouldn't advocate giving him a big deal now, but they could've used him in the LMA/DMDR era. I wish Samanic would've worked out too, given he was actually on the team. I tried to believe he was going to turn it around right up until he was cut. But it wasn't to be. We should be able to let that debate die and just deal with the players as they are.
So wait, because I disagree with you on some draft and development philosophy, you believe one of your biggest mistakes on this forum was having me approve threads on a sub-forum so obscure that many STers have no idea it exists? I mean I guess I'm sorry I take up so much space in your head that you would prioritize taking something from me (and instead having it be unused at a time when it was actually important) as your main use of ST-related time travel. I can't say I have that kind of animosity toward you. Heck, I don't have any toward you. I do think folks like you and Bod are oversensitive and take your defense of the Spurs past the point of reason sometimes, and that you in particular with go into modes where you're explicitly condescending for no reason. But I don't even dislike you, let alone want to exclude you from anything. That's just weird man.One of the few things I would do differently than I did originally on this board would be to NOT recommend you to LJ to moderate the Think Tank. Everyone has a brain fart on occasion, and that was a doozy.
He has a slow release on his shot. He even pauses on it.
I don't think there's any way in the Spurs would pick him at two. Now to be consistent with what I said, if they truly believed he was BPA, I'd want them to pick him unless an absolutely safe trade was found. But he feels like a guy they could use their picks to trade up as a second first rather than taking with their first. SF is a position with long-term potential. But I don't have it as a position the team needs to target explicitly right now.
Yes, he's got a bit of hiccup in his shot. Buuuut, his release is smooth. Like I said, the things he's not good at are things that COACHING can actually correct. If you can't shoot or have the desire or instincts to play defense or have that innate ability to make people miss, you cannot coach that into 95% of players.
The things he's got, just need some tweaking. But his man defense is ELITE. He's a two way player. And a three level above the rim scorer with incredible leaps. You don't coach that either. He's gonna be an all star. Dude is 18. And got waaay better since he was 17. He's exactly what a scout looks for.
I don't think there's anyway he makes it past the 4th or 5th pick I'd these scouts and front offices know a furking thing.
He's not bad but other prospects have more upside for when the spurs will be drafting top 5 most likely.
The draft process is pretty weird. It starts so early and players develop a 'history' of being associated with certain slots or portions of the draft. There is definitely movement, a Kobe Bufkin moving up, a Nick Smith Jr. moving down, but especially the top gets gummed up with 'accepted wisdom,' to the point where selecting a player a bit higher than conventional wisdom draws ridicule.
This seems to be a matter of fan bases falling in love with the myth and hype of players, GMs not wanting to stick their necks out, and even owners following trends. And then draft gurus want to get their clicks and subscribes so never go against the grain, either.
If you actually start the draft process later, or even got all the players in a gym at once and really hashed it out, things would likely be much different. No one has the balls to broadcast their doubts or supports.
I have no opinion on Coulibaly, but it seems very clear he's stuck in a certain portion of the draft. There's a chance he might start getting a push but I don't know.
Also, French perimeter players haven't exactly been setting the world on fire lately. This must suppress the interest somewhat.
That's gonna change with these 18 year old and under Frenchman coming this year and next. Some really good looking special athletes that are solid defenders and super athletic
https://twitter.com/HassleFreeT/stat...445968387?s=19
I see five white guys on that other team. Is the compe ion all that great in that league. Looks weak
No defense from that other team.
Beating on a team of athletically challenged white guys.
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Lol. You're gonna piss off daboom. Not sure who they're playing. Looks like international compe ion for under 18s probably from last year because Bilal is now 18.
He looks like a good pick between 15 and 25. If he shines in individual workouts he might get a couple looks around #10, but it too early to tell..
Stop relying on highlights and watch full games or long form vids that contain all lowlights like this one:
There’s little to nothing outstanding with what he has done so far and he looks like an average player when you watch him here.
See, this is why I wonder about how people view other's abilities. And precisely why I said to view his stats in tandem to his highlights or videos.
And not just this year but his year over year. Imagine what he could achieve with another year of development, but this time with Pop’s tutelage...
Average defensive players don't have 2.5 steals per game per 36. His defense is elite because not only does he have excellent lateral movement but his reach is 7'3". He had 9 steals in one game, 6 in another this season. His hops are elite. He's had 12 rebounds in a game. His handles and ability to attack the basket are above average. His 3pt shot has gone from average to above average. He scored 37 points in a game and had multiple others in the 20s. He's a very good passer. Season high of 7 assists...not bad for a SF.
He's a 3 level scorer with impressive defensive instincts. Can you say that about Scoot (or the player you take after Wemby), who most would acknowledge played against inferior talent or at minimum players completely uninterested in playing defense. I think Cam Whitmore is next closest to achieving that ability, btw.
I'm also happy to wager a friendly bet either by submission or with a dollar amount, on who has a better first 3 years. I'm not going anywhere and will be happy to say you've won or pay up, if I'm wrong.
jonathan givony (ESPN) reported that coulibaly declared back on april 20th so not sure how accurate that was (is).
420, so inherently hard to trust.
I saw his declaration video, on twitter. He's declared.
After reading that article, I think I’m more open to Amen now. At least the kid is willing to put in the work.
Wemby is my hope still though.
I def see him ending up in the lottery, and possibly some team taking a flyer on him.
I’m definitely taking Coulibaly before Grady . I have no hesitation in saying that much.
while i disagree with his brandon clarke take...
i dont think his reason for the weird Think Tank regret is your disagreement on draft/development philosophy, i think he's upset at your misrepresentation of the contract extension/MLE thing...
"So in your mind, signing an extension above the MLE is worse than not getting an extension and then signing for less than the MLE? Are you sure you wouldn't like to pick a different hill to die on?"
i think his point is your misrepresentation of his argument is so bad that it should disqualify you from mod-hood. though to be fair, i think his argument was disingenuous since he is only ranking Clarke among those FRP's who did receive extensions, while ignoring the bunch who were so bad that they didnt even get an extension at all.
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