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    I think he is rising because people are talking about what he was doing in practice meaning he can handle the ball and has offensive potential. One thing when looking at a player especially a Freshman is that if they on a good team they are usually restricted to doing certain things and very rarely given the Green light on offense. You look at Sharpe he got picked high and he didn’t even play a lot was based on his practice scrimmages that the scouts were watching
    Sounds like how U of Kentucky was swearing Sharpe was the best player in practice last year, despite refusing to actually play in the games.

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    I think he is rising because people are talking about what he was doing in practice meaning he can handle the ball and has offensive potential. One thing when looking at a player especially a Freshman is that if they on a good team they are usually restricted to doing certain things and very rarely given the Green light on offense. You look at Sharpe he got picked high and he didn’t even play a lot was based on his practice scrimmages that the scouts were watching
    Like Towns being a very good three-point shooter despite him not being allowed to shoot in college.

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    I get modern Dejuan Blair vibes out of this guy. How are his knees?

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    I’ve heard nothing about his cartilage…nor growth plates.

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    I remember reading Kawhis best possible player comp was Gerald Wallace lol

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    I swear the more I watch this guy play, the more he looks like a 3 to me. I strongly disagree with LJ that he doesnt have the offensive game to thrive out there. He has a pretty good handle and a more advanced feel for the game than a typical 19 year old.

    I would love for this to be the pick.

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    I swear the more I watch this guy play, the more he looks like a 3 to me. I strongly disagree with LJ that he doesnt have the offensive game to thrive out there. He has a pretty good handle and a more advanced feel for the game than a typical 19 year old.

    I would love for this to be the pick.
    His defense is absolutely not up to checking 3s. He’s considered a bit lead footed even against 4s in college. He’d have no chance against NBA wings.

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    I think his shortcomings defending on the perimeter is at worst debatable. Ex it feels like you are conflating Dean on Draft to be consensus. Hendricks will be a better defender on the perimeter but is too light to handle people down low. Walker is a very solid all around defender. That’s the consensus.

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    I think his shortcomings defending on the perimeter is at worst debatable. Ex it feels like you are conflating Dean on Draft to be consensus. Hendricks will be a better defender on the perimeter but is too light to handle people down low. Walker is a very solid all around defender. That’s the consensus.
    If you’ve known ex on this forum for years, you’d know that his basketball views are very rigid. A few years ago, he took tankathon as gospel and now less so because the Thompson twins are up high on their big board that it’s a dilemma for him and his beliefs. No middle ground.

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    I think his shortcomings defending on the perimeter is at worst debatable. Ex it feels like you are conflating Dean on Draft to be consensus. Hendricks will be a better defender on the perimeter but is too light to handle people down low. Walker is a very solid all around defender. That’s the consensus.
    Dean isn’t infallible, and I don’t agree with everything he says, but what you need to understand is that he does analytics for a living, and that living is as a sports bettor. He puts his money where his math is. He puts skin in the game, which a lot of these player hype men don’t. He’s also not worried about the consensus, another thing I like. Dean also watches more video than anyone in this forum except maybe Dejounte. He analyzed the head to heads between Walker and Hendricks, and Hendricks, known primarily as a straight line driver, blew by Walker for a dunk, while limiting Walker to jumpers and floaters.

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    Analytics, sure, I think he knows that aspect really well. But is one or two plays in one game analytics or anecdotal?

    Hey, I think both TH and JW have strengths and shortcomings but I prefer to compare them a bit more objectively. I slightly prefer JW to TH but I think both have challenges to being a star and both are more likely role players for the first several years if not always.

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    Analytics, sure, I think he knows that aspect really well. But is one or two plays in one game analytics or anecdotal?

    Hey, I think both TH and JW have strengths and shortcomings but I prefer to compare them a bit more objectively. I slightly prefer JW to TH but I think both have challenges to being a star and both are more likely role players for the first several years if not always.
    I agree with this line of thinking... I believe JW has a better chance to become a star than TH, which is why I prefer him, but I think TH has a better or more easily defined skill set to have a long career as a solid role player. There are solid arguments for each player depending on what the team does elsewhere

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    I agree with this line of thinking... I believe JW has a better chance to become a star than TH, which is why I prefer him, but I think TH has a better or more easily defined skill set to have a long career as a solid role player. There are solid arguments for each player depending on what the team does elsewhere
    I think it all depends on who drafts them. Houston will ruin anyone they draft. We will do better. If you remember, Kawhi sat in the corner and shot 3 pointers for two years, while they honed his game in individual workouts and practice.

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    Even if they end up 5-7, given how high they are on Sochan, the inability to play them much together and his seeming lack of a path to s om, I can't imagine them selecting him.

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    I think it all depends on who drafts them. Houston will ruin anyone they draft. We will do better. If you remember, Kawhi sat in the corner and shot 3 pointers for two years, while they honed his game in individual workouts and practice.
    Absolutely agree... one of the biggest factors for any of these guys future is where they end up.... Houston has a real chance of ruining anybody they get.

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    Even if they end up 5-7, given how high they are on Sochan, the inability to play them much together and his seeming lack of a path to s om, I can't imagine them selecting him.
    In a nuts .

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    Here's how I see it playing out . . .

    1 - Wembanyama

    2 - Henderson

    3 - Henderson / (Amen) Thompson

    4 - (Amen) Thompson

    5 - 7 - (Ausar) Thompson / Black

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    Could be. In fact I'd like the Thompsons to go high, as long as it isn't to the Spurs. But hopefully we land no. 1 and all these concerns belong to someone else.

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    Absolutely agree... one of the biggest factors for any of these guys future is where they end up.... Houston has a real chance of ruining anybody they get.
    Hope you and Ex are right but that could change with Udoka there now.

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    Hope you and Ex are right but that could change with Udoka there now.
    Ime's not the problem...the owner is....it starts at the top..

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    Hope you and Ex are right but that could change with Udoka there now.
    It definitely will. The second Ime took over marked the end of the disorganized, selfish, boneheaded, shot chucking days in Houston. He's got plenty of leeway to do things his way and I fully expect him to use his power and make an example of some poor schmuck right away (Porter Jr most likely, could also ship Jalen Green) to assert his position. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rockets end up trading for some "culture setting" veteran PG to lead the way like, say, Chris Paul. Like we say here in Argentina, "the toilet in the bathroom, the fridge in the kitchen", meaning things should be where they belong. And I think that's where Ime will start.

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    Ime's not the problem...the owner is....it starts at the top..
    yeah I’m still surprised Ime took that job. The front office and everything else down is dog .

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    I think Ime had to take what he could get but they do have young talent so it’s possible he could improve them somewhat at least.

    I don’t trust Houston overall because the owner is a complete jackass. But I’m not sure if the front office is total garbage. Feels like they actually had a plan of tanking and the coach they just fired was sort of the patsy interim coach until they decided to change course. I think they’ve done well drafting in the mid first round and getting decent value. But overall I see the owner causing problems as the situation there got too chaotic.

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    We saw how having a bad owner impacts ops. See Phoenix.

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    We saw how having a bad owner impacts ops. See Phoenix.
    A bad owner's SON resulted in GS picking Wiseman and Kuminga when they could have had LaMelo and Franz Wagner. He listened to his damn kid instead of his GM, so I guess that's bad ownership, too.

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