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Could be really interesting to move up and grab a PG, those are the main targets with Schifino imo
btw i think it will be really expensive to move up in the top 10-15
Because we're greedy sorts, there's talk of trying to get a second pick in the top 10, usually to get a point guard. Normally not something the Spurs would do, I'd think, but Wembanyama might accelerate the process. It might be worthwhile to use future capital we might have kept dry.
What picks to target?
- Top third of the lottery, around 3-5
- Picks 6-10
- Later in the lottery
What players to target?
- Amen Thompson
- Anthony Black
- Cason Wallace
- Kobe Bufkin
- Jalen Hood-Schifino
- <other>
What assets to trade?
- Keldon Johnson
- Own draft picks
- Other draft picks (Atl, Chi, Tor)
To me, going after the picks where Amen Thompson is available is not worth it. Not necessarily because I don't believe in him -- or even Scoot -- but because those picks are going to be very expensive.
Orlando and Indiana may be had (6, 7), but we don't have anything clear that they may want.
Utah and Washington (8, 9) both have big needs for PGs, the very spot we're looking for.
Dallas has been discussed elsewhere, with Keldon as a possible dangle, but he is not a good defensive fit for them. It does seem like they may want to trade for an established player or two.
The Spurs have a lot of picks they cannot necessarily take in the years ahead. Is it worth burning assets grabbing a guy they may be able to get in the future?
To me, there's a sweet spot. I don't think going after Amen is worth the price, and then going after a Hood-Schifino doesn't really replace Jones' production. My sweet area is Black and Bufkin. The sad thing is, I believe WAS or UTA grab Black (poor kid, if it's the Wizards). I like Bufkin, but don't know how much I'd give up to actually get him.
Interesting situation. A day ago, I couldn't see the Spurs pushing so high for a second lottery player. Things may have changed.
Could be really interesting to move up and grab a PG, those are the main targets with Schifino imo
btw i think it will be really expensive to move up in the top 10-15
Portland wants put of 3 but we gots no vets
Indeed, and I don't see a player worth it. Moving up in the 20s if possible, or even mid first (hard) why not if spurs want to take a flyer on someone they fell in love with now that they got the big fish but above wouldn't be a wise investment imo. Let's keep those big assets for later moves and maybe focus rather on a vet PG.
How will the Spurs handle point guard is the biggest roster question going into next season. Splurge on VanVleet in free agency? Doubtful. Take on a Chris Paul salary dump? Meh. Roll with Jones? He seems better suited as a (strong) reserve point. Rehab Ben Simmons for the cost of Brooklyn draft picks? It's the wrong time to risk locker room poison, even if it came with a couple FRPs. Experiment with Branham or Sochan at point? Maybe, particularly Sochan. But do you really want to ease Wembanyama into the NBA with an experimental point guard? Try to move into the lottery to draft Scoot Henderson or Amen Thompson? Does Portland sniff at Keldon Johnson and future ATL pick for 3? I wouldn't make that trade, but it does give them a win-now piece in Johnson without mortgaging their future, doesn't it? The point guard market is really poor this summer. It's a challenging problem for the front office.
Love this exercise, but I'll throw in a wrinkle.
Once we get a feeling of what the cost would be to move up to the range where we could take Black (for example), I'd ask what do you think the cost would be to get Haliburton from Indiana or Ivey from Detroit. Both of these guys may be off limits, but everyone has their price.
If we could get Haliburton or Ivey for our 1 next year + Atlanta's 2025 + the CHI pick + the CHA pick... would you do it? Certainly both of those would be preferable to Black or Wallace?
Good finds. These teams are looking at ranges of picks and possible movement; they also use them to get to know players entering the NBA in a way they never have a chance to later on.
It is provocative to see the Spurs on these lists, though. I'll stick with my guns. I would seriously consider a package for Black. I'd put together a limit to what they'd be willing to part with and then see what they can do. I'd consider trading two or three FRPs for him, all depending on where those picks fall.
I just don't see a chance to get a player with his size who is probably the best perimeter defender in his class who is simultaneously a playmaker of great potential.
Devin gets you 6 I think.
Could move up to the middle rounds and land Nick Smith of Arkansas who some saw as a top 5 pick before he got hurt.
No, I wouldn't give the Atlanta pick.....
I think this is the correct option to pursue.
A lot of people are saying to draft a lead guard if we move into the late lottery; what do people think about going another direction and drafting a front court partner instead? Wemby is a tricky fit - need someone who can guard the bigger centers to minimize wear and tear, is switchable, and can do some playmaking in advantage situations when Wemby inevitably gets doubled down the road. Jarace Walker may be sitting there in the mid lottery and if you take him, you may be able to have enough playmaking between him, Wemby, and Sochan to not have to be able to run two defensive wings with them. I guess this all assumes that you see Sochan's ultimate role as a playmaking wing.
Last edited by SpursBills; 05-17-2023 at 08:38 PM.
I’m pretty annoyed with the constant need to throw Keldon under the bus. He’s the exact kinda player who produces consistently that a playoff team like us needs. I don’t mind over paying with picks but I think we’d be stupid to give up Keldon and picks. Unless it’s wildly to our benefit.
The most valuable part of this team, now that you have a centerpiece, is that we already have built in high production players that fit the system. Keldon and Vassell getting approx 18ppg and taking pressure off of Wemby is more valuable than taking a swipe at a prospective pg.
With that said I think Black is a perfect fit and Cason looks real good too. Package up some picks. I don’t mind two first and a swap or two if the FO really likes one if them.
But it’s dumb to give up a pick or two and a 20ppg scorer who can drive and shoot effectively. Who also happens to be a great fit on our team culturally and chemistry wise.
I think there's good value in the late lottery to around 20. Gregory Jackson II or Kris Murray will be there.... probably Kobe Bufkin, Jalen Hood-Schifino, or NSJ will fall there....and Rayan Rupert, Jordan Hawkins, Dariq Whitehead or Bilal Coulibaly will be there.... not all of them but a few of them will. It won't be that hard to trade into that range.
I think it depends on how high we're shooting for. Keldon is a good player and I think he'd be good here off the bench when we've made some other moves. He's not so good that we have to keep him, but the reason everyone keeps including his name in deals is precisely because he does have value. I think we only have one untouchable. Everything has to be geared to fit around him.
The issue I have with non-PGs is that we already have those players we are in the midst of developing. I don't know if it makes sense to use extra assets to grab a scoring guard like Smith Jr. or a PF prospect like GG when we need to integrate Vassell back in and Sochan. Every move has a balance between what it costs and who gets impacted on the existing team on one side vs. how exceptional that player is.
That said, I've long wanted two good prospects out of this draft and I'm not sure there will be anyone in the early SR. If all they have to pay are other future SRPs then that's next to nothing. Regardless, snaking in and grabbing someone that tumbles... I'm not against anything.
I don't see NSJ as just a scoring guard. I think he's a PG at this level and played out of position at Arkansas. How one views his ultimate position does play a factor with him I'll have to admit. On Gregory Jackson II and Murray, I don't see where we are stacked there with developing guys. We've got Sochan and who? I can't count Wembanyama because he's going to play a few positions as he develops. Sochan is the only real 4 we have. I guess I could include Mamu and Barlow, but they aren't good enough to pass on talent for.
saw a mock with us taking Wemby at 1 and Trayce Jackson-Davis with our first pick in the 2nd round. I can live with those two picks.
Mamu would be a 4. Maybe I just don't think anything of GG Jackson and don't see value in trading up to get him. I disagree about Smith's position. I don't really see players who can't pass much and don't have much vision as PGs simply because they are slight of build. His handles are pretty bad, but those can be improved. Otherwise he's a skinny SG. But, sure, he's the type I could see poaching if he tumbles and isn't costly. His slash and floater game could be effective. He'd be drafted into Branham and Wesley territory though.
There is no reason for him to come off the bench unless you’re rocking a legitimate all star 3. Keldon fits great next to Sochan. Regardless of whether Jeremy is at the 4 or the 1. Keldon also fits perfectly alongside Vassell. Those 3 played seemlessly together.
I completely get the talk around wanting another pg but with all the cap space and picks I think trading a timeline player who produces and knows the system is a dumb move.
We could absorb just about any contract. Have McD’s contract if needed. All those pics and cap space.
Unless you’re bringing back proven talent like Fox or Halliburton then it doesn’t make any sense to move a valuable piece for a prospect. Not now.
A year or two years from now? Maybe.
Right now is not the time to be buying draft picks. The price is never higher.
We are going to be better but a 50 win season is where I am thinking the over under is at. I don't see us contending with a lack of a veteran core there is going to be a lot of growing pains.
Carpe diem if you can but failing a team having their prospects pool wiped out and looking to move a pick I don't see a whole lot of value.
Reading the early returns, sounds like the next two drafts are meh for what it’s worth. Apparently Carlos Boozers kid is get lots of hype for 2026.
Anyway, if you take stalk in that stuff, might not be bad to consolidate 24 and 25 year picks.
Not throwing him under the bus. But in the same respect, he's not untouchable either. Might be our most moveable piece where we could get a good return.
Yea, we see them differently, but everybody I just mentioned is in that range that wouldn't be very costly. We're talking about the 13-20 range. Jackson or Murray will be towards the end of that. JHS, Bufkin, or NSJ will fall towards the end of that. Rupert or Bilal will be available towards the end of that range....not all, but one in each category should be...
Haliburton is a 23 year old coming off an All Star season, he's committed to Indiana and they view him as their franchise player, We had our chance at him and we blew it, he's not going anywhere.
Also, he's on a tier above Dejounte Murray. If the price for Dejounte was 3 picks (2 unprotected) + 1 swap, Haliburton would command significantly more than that, probably including an already established young player and not just picks.
Ivey I don't see Detroit moving, but he's not untouchable IMO. I've lost a lot of interest in him however, since his defense has been awful and he's not the playmaker we'd need. Basically he's a PG sized combo guard. For the right price he'd be a fine addition, but I wouldn't pay prime all star price for him, which is why Detroit surely would ask for.
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