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Haliburton represented Indiana at the lottery. He's there for good.
I'm repeating myself because there are so many threads and I'm losing track, but I've about-faced on TJD. Once we loaded up on Bassey, Mamu, and Barlow started showing signs, I didn't think much of using a pick on J-D to crowd things even further. Now with Wembanyama, I think he'd be an excellent alternative to Collins. Heady passer, smart player, has some strength, can cover the perimeter in a pinch on rotations, excellent weak-side shotblocker. Having him and Wembanyama cleaning up mistakes is salivating.
Haliburton represented Indiana at the lottery. He's there for good.
Moving into the middle rounds to get Nick Smith Jr as a PG who was a top 5 pick as a ,PG before he got injured is a safe move and could be had without moving Keldon. He has size and moves like a PG.
Sochan won't make it as a PG... he may play there this year, but it's not where he's ultimately gonna be. As for Keldon coming off the bench, I'm not talking about immediately necessarily. I'm talking about after we've made moves are are ready to try and contend, but it's still a little problematic this season if Sochan doesn't play PG.
Tre
Devin
Collins
Wembanyama
They are starting... so Sochan or Keldon will have to come off the bench.
It would have to be a clear and decisive upgrade. Like Bridges or something to that tune. A legit upgrade.
Moving a piece like Keldon that’s on a great contract for a prospect in the late lottery seems like the kind of irresponsible we’d see from other teams.
I’m gonna say something and I understand he showed nothing this year… are we giving up on Blake Wesley as a future PG? We keep bringing guys up, maybe he’s the answer if he’s improving
I agree that Sochan is not a starting long term pg. Good change of pace etc.
My starting 5 is
Wemby
Sochan
Keldon
Vassell
Tre
I’m not really seeing the need to start Collins. Now if Poeltl were still on this team I could see Jeremy sliding to the 3 and taking Keldon off the bench for the punch.
We are constantly undervaluing Keldon and what he could bring to a playoff team.
I'm not and I don't think the team is. By the end of the year, I started seeing stuff I liked. He was slowing down, not rushing to hit the rim, where he was constantly in trouble. He was starting to use the middle ground between the 3-pt line and the hoop. I still feel there's something there; another year to see. His speed, his defense. He has good vision. He's a good spot up shooter.
I don't think he's ready to start at all.
Too early to tell at this point. But Branham imo could slide into that starting PG spot. he did a really solid job as the season went on. With Wemby/Sochan in the frontcourt, we don't really need a ball dominant PG setting guys up. Let Branham run it as a combo guard
Why are people so certain that it will cost too much to move up into the first? I mean, look at the trade deadline; teams valued firsts like crazy because they wanted a shot at Wemby. Now that it’s over?
FA class sucks. Lots of teams that need to win now have lottery picks and are up creek asset wise mostly. There’s no consensus after top 3 it appears and tons of risks.
It’s ripe for a lot of trade activity IMO and if firsts are valued highly, SA being willing to move 2 firsts to get one here may very well be enough; especially with a player like Keldon possibly attached
Teams showed they valued the shot at Wemby + firsts in general but that also means getting SA to give up multiple firsts is a big deal possibly.
I would trade every ATL pick if it landed SA Scoot for example (pick 2 or 3). If you can guarantee that one of those ATL turns into a top 3 pick you take it.
Just saying I don’t think it’s clear that it will cost too much to move up for another first but I agree it would not be a surprise.
But no one is going to want to deal with the Spurs after they landed Wemby. Teams hate us
I see Wesley as someone on a Walker timeline. He definitely needs another year or so.
I don't think you can play Wembanyama at the 5.... not this early at this age.... he'll play the 4 and/or 3. We shouldn't subject him to the pounding he'd take at the 5.
Teams value the current pick over future picks. I don't know of any times a team has traded away a high or mid lottery pick for future picks. That's a good way to get a fanbase to revolt against you and get yourself fired as a GM. You need to get something tangible and current.Why are people so certain that it will cost too much to move up into the first? I mean, look at the trade deadline; teams valued firsts like crazy because they wanted a shot at Wemby. Now that it’s over?
FA class sucks. Lots of teams that need to win now have lottery picks and are up creek asset wise mostly. There’s no consensus after top 3 it appears and tons of risks.
It’s ripe for a lot of trade activity IMO and if firsts are valued highly, SA being willing to move 2 firsts to get one here may very well be enough; especially with a player like Keldon possibly attached
Teams showed they valued the shot at Wemby + firsts in general but that also means getting SA to give up multiple firsts is a big deal possibly.
I would trade every ATL pick if it landed SA Scoot for example (pick 2 or 3). If you can guarantee that one of those ATL turns into a top 3 pick you take it.
Just saying I don’t think it’s clear that it will cost too much to move up for another first but I agree it would not be a surprise.
But no one is going to want to deal with the Spurs after they landed Wemby. Teams hate us
But if you can pick 3 for Keldon + a first or two you do it IMO
I’m not so sure. Lots of fans in this draft thought it was top 2 or bust it feels like. Look at our own sentiment and convos about trading back or out if we landed pick 4-7. This is unique though because we have several teams that were not supposed to be lottery teams: Dallas, Portland, Washington and even HOU has incentive to get better quickly since they don’t control their own pick next year.
So its not the same as “usual” IMO
2 picks and Keldon for scoot I’d get.Why are people so certain that it will cost too much to move up into the first? I mean, look at the trade deadline; teams valued firsts like crazy because they wanted a shot at Wemby. Now that it’s over?
FA class sucks. Lots of teams that need to win now have lottery picks and are up creek asset wise mostly. There’s no consensus after top 3 it appears and tons of risks.
It’s ripe for a lot of trade activity IMO and if firsts are valued highly, SA being willing to move 2 firsts to get one here may very well be enough; especially with a player like Keldon possibly attached
Teams showed they valued the shot at Wemby + firsts in general but that also means getting SA to give up multiple firsts is a big deal possibly.
I would trade every ATL pick if it landed SA Scoot for example (pick 2 or 3). If you can guarantee that one of those ATL turns into a top 3 pick you take it.
Just saying I don’t think it’s clear that it will cost too much to move up for another first but I agree it would not be a surprise.
But no one is going to want to deal with the Spurs after they landed Wemby. Teams hate us
But if we’re offering Keldon plus 2 firsts for a pick that is 7-12 we’re idiots. Nothing in that range is worth 2 firsts and a proven player on a killer contract.
2 firsts and a swap for a 7-10 picks is fine by me.
Sochan will probably play the 5 when playing with Wemb. on the defensive side
Oh for sure…just saying it feels like there are avenues due so many teams seemingly wanting to or being willing to move picks. Means it lowers costs since teams have multiple options too.
Yeah, I am not in a rush let's see how things work out in Wemby first season - As far as Blake still high on him he was drafted as a prospect with high potential so we should know it's going to take at best two years before we see things clicking. One thing that I really liked is the team played defense when he was playing he really gets into it on that side of the ball he just has to slow his brain down a little on the offensive side.
Based on what? Sochan is more the Bruce Bowen who picks up the best offensive player on the other team than he is Duncan playing the 4 next to the number of other bigs we had over the years.
Sochan isn’t picking up AD, Embiid, Sabonis if Wemby is on the floor.
Cason Wallace and Hood Schifino are a pass from me, whenever I've watched them play I didn't come away super impressed.
Anthony Black I love, but I concur 100% he's going to Washington or Utah at 8/9 at the lowest. I think a realistic trade up should target picks 6 (Orlando) and 7 (Indiana). With that said, Indiana needs a PF and I'd be SHOCKED if they move the pick instead of taking one of Cam Whitmore, Taylor Hendricks or Jarace Walker. Orlando I could see moving the pick if the price is right, because they have 11 where they could target need (Gradey ?). Their core is set so they need pieces, maybe Keldon Johnson + future first (ideally Charlotte, realistically likely Toronto) would be an enticing offer for that pick, I think Keldon would be much more efficient alongside Banchero and Wagner than he was this past season.
For Bufkin, I think he's a late lottery / mid teens prospect, with a strong fit in Toronto at 13. We could go to Dallas for 10 for maybe Keldon Johnson, but I'm not sure I'd use 10 on Bufkin, I'm more inclined to wait to see if he falls a bit and then if he does you can put together a more reasonable offer for a lower pick, like Atlanta at 15 or Lakers at 17.
I left Amen Thompson for last. I've been saying time and again that I didn't want Amen Thompson to be our top pick. With that said, if the Spurs are truly enamored with him, Houston is rumored to be willing to move the pick for win now pieces. I don't know that we have such pieces, they need to balance out the roster and that requires playmaking, which we don't have in excess. A Derrick White or Dejounte could have been appealing to them, for instance, but right now in terms of value maybe Vassell + 1st would be fair but I don't think they'd do it because of fit.
All in all, I'd be open to opportunities, but those PG options you mention seem pretty difficult / expensive to me. And to be fair, no, I can't come up with a much better one off the top of my head. But some may open up, you never know.
Lastly, I would take a look at Judah Mintz and Marcus Sasser in the 2nd round, not in the same tier, but maybe attainable with either of our seconds which would make for a much more affordable gamble.
Yeah, but because of what I said and not for representing them in the lottery. Sexton represented Utah and Dalen Terry represented Chicago, and it wasn't because they were in for the long haul (Dalen Terry especially).
maintaining wemby's health with a good center pairing is way way more important than getting value for KJ. KJ doesn't deserve to be a starter unless he can be a plus defender. The FO will need to talk to him but part of the trade push is the intuition that a player like him would rather take a chance on another team as a starter than play off the bench or the 4rth fiddle on offense. KJ doesn't have a natural position and with wemby and sochan both being must starts thats two positions KJ can't play. Sochan will be flexible to be a 5 in some situations, but getting a decent center will be much better to develop synergy than playing an undersized point forward all year.
I don't think Keldon has as much value as Spurstalk thinks he has.
That package won't get you 2 or 3. Those teams are going to want players like Mikal Bridges or Siakam back for the 2nd or third pick in this year's draft.
I'm seing on Portland boards, that's what they want for 3.
Centers can be had with capspace, you don't need to trade KJ for that. A low key target could be Mason Plumlee or someone like that (cheaper than Brook Lopez and Poeltl).
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