Could you give some examples of this? What teams in the mid-late 20’s would be willing to surrender their first rounder, and what combination of second rounders would they be willing to accept?
the nets own the 21st and 22nd picks and are pretty desperate for cap relief. we'd be taking a contract off their hands in exchange for moving up 11 spots, in theory. the spurs notably gave up a first round pick to trade richard jefferson for stephen jackson, not because they loved stephen jackson necessarily, but because his contract expired 1 year earlier than RJ's, so it was a cap relief move
Utah may be looking to add second round picks for pick 28 so it will be a slight bump up for the Spurs to move from 33 but could be the difference of getting a player the Spurs want.
SI is speculating the Nets want to dump Ben Simmons’ salary to the Spurs for Doug McDermott and a pick swap. That’s another way to get cap relief I guess. The article writer even tried to talk up the idea that Ben Simmons was still capable of playing basketball.
the nets would have to offer substantially more for someone to take simmons given that he has 2 years left on his deal. would hamper the spurs ability to make notable additions for 2 offseasons (though this offseason's FA market isnt exactly explosive)
the lakers had to part with a first round pick in the westbrook/russell deal with fairly light protection (top 4). and thats with westbrook still being able to play NBA basketball and having been on an expiring deal. and based on the market, it really seems like the lakers got off easy, because the dumbass wolves were apparently willing to trade russell in exchange for old-ass conley and some second rounders
mcdermott actually will have positive value this year since he's an established role player/specialist, but unlike last season, on an expiring deal
So Dean on Draft was wrong about the wingspan, evidently. 7 feet wingspan for a point guard is incredible.
Amen is absolutey not a point guard and we need to kill that idea. But his measurements do look good.
I think almost everyone considers him a lead ball handler and good passer. I think that’s a losing argument. He might not end up a good point guard but doesn’t mean he’s not a point guard.
I have no idea why people keep pushing him as a point. It's gonna do him a major, major disservice.
No way I take on Simmons now. McDermott holds a lot more value now too with Wemby. No way I do this trade.
You think a team is going to try to make him a 2, or a 3?
I think he might be a disaster at 2.
He might need to be shoehorned into a 1.
Just tossing spitballs.
I think he has secondary playmaker abilities. Honestly maybe the positions are so fluid that it doesn't matter, and I think of a PG as needing to have more sophisticated creation ability. Amen will be able to break down his defender and kick the ball around and that is PG-ish.
I don't think he'll be ready as a primary playmaker for a while, though. And his lack of a J will be a mess. You may be right - he will have to have the ball in his hand, although his defender will just sag and PnRs both defenders will just sag. Right now I think of him as more of a wing. He'll need to get stuck in the corner and then perform cuts, where he can be really effective.
Never overestimate how "desperate" other teams are to do something, or dumb others GMs are that they would do some move we wouldn't at their place, just because it's convenient for us. It's often more wishful thinking than realistic ideas., like Charlotte desperate last year for a big man who would definitely give us 13 & 15 for Poodle... Trades are hard and noboy will accept a trade just to please you, they also want to find some real, valuable assets, or at least feel they do. And truth is we have no ideas what other teams plans really are.
He does seem to be a very talented, yet problematic prospect that COULD be something, but that COULD is...
not confidence building right now.
So the Nets would want to screw the spurs? They can keep speculating all they want, why in all , would the spurs do that? Add at least a FRP or never call me back. Spurs can use their cap space in much better ways that adding a ballast to their roster for a freaking pick swap, losing McBuckets at that.
I think the Spurs comfortably have the room to take three rookies this season. Obviously Wemby has a spot. The later second will get that fresh new two-way slot. So now it's the high-second that will be competing for a spot. I was gonna make a thread with this same premise, and I might do that later. For now, I'll just group the players on the team into tiers
Essential: Wembanyama
Not willing to move at the moment: Sochan
Would REALLY like to keep: Vassell
Want to keep, but are willing to listen: Johnson {Jones}
Want to keep, and that's good because they don't have value worth moving them: Branham, Wesley
Don't mind keeping for now: McDermott, Graham, Collins [Bates-Diop]
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Intriguing but a potential upgrade spot: Bassey (Champagnie) {Mamu}
Would have to win a spot in camp and may not even get an invite: (Barlow) {Langford}
Might make it from a contract quirk ... at least for a bit: Birch
Better not make the team as a player: [Dieng]
So by my count, there are nine players who will have an almost guaranteed spot on the team barring a trade, with two additional players guaranteed a spot if they get new deals. While I think the bottom of the roster has some decent enough filler, I don't think anyone there is so entrenched that a guy draft in the middle of the draft wouldn't have a real chance at keeping his spot. Literally all of those guys other than Barlow has lost a roster battle at least once, almost all of them were draft after 33 in their respective years. They aren't a horrible floor for the roster, but yes, the Spurs should endeavor to pass those guys up with future picks. They have a bunch of good opportunities now. They don't have to go bargain shopping anymore.
Helpful thoughts. I both think they could pull three rookies but they can/should be very specific about what they're targeting. As you say, they don't need to go into the bargain bin. There are few slots, they have a lot of draft assets, and suddenly they have their centerpiece. Plus have a gaggle of bargain bin types to try out already.
What I don't want them to do is draft over current guys. It'd be nice to target specific archetypes and roles -- although upper end attempts at those. The one exception is getting a bit more beef.
- a potential defensive PG starter
- shooting
- another big
This draft is somewhat unusual in that there are a few PGs who aren't just good defenders but have other skills. In my recollection this doesn't often happen. If they're defensive prospects they don't have other skills. Unfortunately the draft is short, imo, on bigs who can help immediately. And shooting isn't deep in supply, either.
BS is circulating again here huh.... Well, I'm not sure there are to many scenarios that I would entertain taking him, but a pick swap wouldn't get it done. Maybe both their picks this year if they took Doug, Graham, and Birch? Maybe if I squint real hard that could make sense...then again maybe I've had a couple drinks....
For the 20 and 21? I would say absolutey not. He's due about 40,000,000 each of the next two years and is an absolutey toxic personality. He never gave an ish about basketball and now he's like a vampire. I don't even know if two draft picks for each 20 mill would do it. And of course youd cut him and never let him anywhere near the team. It wrecks any flexibility and we don't need the draft picks, plus BKN doesn't have good draft picks anymore.
yes plz..........
these pgs......
Those ideas to package up into 21-32 with our treasure trove of draft assets (depending on the deal/within reason) could make a huge difference to get a real keeper. Even just a few spots mean everything if that's our guy and I'm eyeing options there.
Love some of the proposed bundles to move up into the late first but for some reason still hyper focused on Strawther at #33 should SA ultimately keep and pick there.
But Terq Smith falling into range in recent mocks could be quite the steal. But no way with this combine exposure Terq still falls, surely someone will snag him 25-32?
T. Smith has Steph Curry range. And can penetrate. And pass.
The spittin image of Dejuante Murray in some ways -- take that however you want.
The Spurs like this type (even trying to shoehorn Blake Wesley last year).
I love this guy. The one negative -- I don't think his "advanced stats" are that great.
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sheppard looked good in that game. im sure he got the spurs attention.these pgs......
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