Victor Wembanyama - load management and physical development

[exstatic]

Hopefully all this amazing internet wisdom is being collected so that timvp can deliver it to the Spurs and they don't it up...

But in the meantime, serious question: is this dude done growing? Is there a chance he grows into some weird 8-foot tall spider human that can't function (I'm exaggerating, but you get my point). Just curious.

Manute Bol was 7’7”. I think that’s the outside limits of being able to play pro basketball.

[scott]

Manute Bol was 7’7”. I think that’s the outside limits of being able to play pro basketball.

Yeah, that's my concern (a very remote concern, not one that impacts any strategy at all, more just a curiousity), that he has another growth spurt and is 7'11" and can't play basketball but can pose for all the Guinness Book of World Records photos he wants. He's only 19.

I found one article that claims he was 7'1" at age 14, but then another one that claims he was only 6'5" at 14, and then a third article states he was 6'10" when he was 13. It's so weird that the information is so all over the place with this kid, it's not like he's hiding - he's out there in the French league - so it's just bizarre that there isn't clear info.

[polandprzem]

The thing is, you're doing the meathead MMA-fan thing of thinking 'gains' is the goal.

Am I? Interesting.

[polandprzem]

Hopefully all this amazing internet wisdom is being collected so that timvp can deliver it to the Spurs and they don't it up...

that same timvp that said 30pds of muscle gains?

[polandprzem]

Yeah, that's my concern (a very remote concern, not one that impacts any strategy at all, more just a curiousity), that he has another growth spurt and is 7'11" and can't play basketball but can pose for all the Guinness Book of World Records photos he wants. He's only 19.

I found one article that claims he was 7'1" at age 14, but then another one that claims he was only 6'5" at 14, and then a third article states he was 6'10" when he was 13. It's so weird that the information is so all over the place with this kid, it's not like he's hiding - he's out there in the French league - so it's just bizarre that there isn't clear info.

So.many specialists around him. Yet he was not measured properly?

[ChumpDumper]

So.many specialists around him. Yet he was not measured properly?

I'm sure he was. Media is media.

[polandprzem]

Looks like he is 220pds. Lets see if he gonna be 240 before 24/25 season

[tonight...you]

So? Why you upset?

I'm upset? All I said was they know him and their knowledge is with him.

[K...]

tbh at 7/4 you don't do weights because the leverage on your joints is too much. longer arms mean more torque. He should do rubber bands and plyometrics and some machine based weights, but yeah keep the free weights away.

[polandprzem]

tbh at 7/4 you don't do weights because the leverage on your joints is too much. longer arms mean more torque. He should do rubber bands and plyometrics and some machine based weights, but yeah keep the free weights away.

You do plyometrics with him and he is done. In order to do playos he needs proper strength.
Season is demanding or joints ligaments and muscles and ppl here do not want him to work to be able get through long NBA season. Nice.

[polandprzem]

I'm upset? All I said was they know him and their knowledge is with him.

Of course

But not that weak ass they showed in the article. Cause that's a warm up and granny stuff. Not pro athlete in terms of getting stronger which he needs.
What they showed is important but just a tip o an iceberg.

[Sugus]

You do plyometrics with him and he is done. In order to do playos he needs proper strength.
Season is demanding or joints ligaments and muscles and ppl here do not want him to work to be able get through long NBA season. Nice.

Absolutely nobody here said they "do not want him to work", are you this obtuse on reading comprehension? What was said and upheld, is that working out your body =/= heavy weightlifting, and that Wemby's bodytype is much better suited for a different type of workout program than a Scoot type of player.

But of course, when your only tool is a hammer, all you'll see is nails...

[RC_Drunkford]

Wemby works a lot with bands which are better for your joints than lifting heavy weights. There are videos of it out there. Just learn how to use the internet properly

[Russ]

Looks like Wembanyama played more minutes than anyone else on his team in today's(?) playoff win.

https://www.google.com/search?q=metr..._0;tb1;fp;1;;;

[Mnky]

You do plyometrics with him and he is done. In order to do playos he needs proper strength.
Season is demanding or joints ligaments and muscles and ppl here do not want him to work to be able get through long NBA season. Nice.

Literally the opposite of every professional opinion. You train movement for what you do in the game. Weights is not something you do in the games. Wembenyama has one of the best training programs who have worked with players with long careers such as Dirk and swear against heavy weight regiments.

[kace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zs-f-DsLxQ

hey, here's a french media video, with english dubbing available in the audio track settings , explaining easily the basics of biomechanics for big basketball players, like Victor.

nothing new probably for some people but still an interesting popularization video on this topic...

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

I was all about scoffing poland's take but he sniped some misinformation here pretty quickly tbh

[benefactor]

And pretty sure I know more about training then Wembanyma

[benefactor]

The side advantage we get from this is it will bring out the best in ST. A side we haven't seen since the glory days. Thank you Wemby for bringing the shine back to our "well informed" community.

[couchman]

I think a lot of Spurs fans will be looking at Wemby with fresh eyes now and coming to three obvious conclusions:
- He is outrageously talented
- He is so raw, omgosh so raw, even more raw than they thought
- He is so talented that he will probably still help the team a lot, despite being raw

As you watch those factors, just think about how amazing he will be when the raw elements get cooked, he stays healthy, and he gains some strength on that frame.

Bonus observation that may be new to many posters here who haven't really watched Wemby closely: He is not a traditional big at all. He's not even a low block player. He plays offense like a SF right now. I keep reading a lot of takes about him playing in the block and that's just not going to happen for a while.

[tonight...you]

I think a lot of Spurs fans will be looking at Wemby with fresh eyes now and coming to three obvious conclusions:
- He is outrageously talented
- He is so raw, omgosh so raw, even more raw than they thought
- He is so talented that he will probably still help the team a lot, despite being raw

As you watch those factors, just think about how amazing he will be when the raw elements get cooked, he stays healthy, and he gains some strength on that frame.

Bonus observation that may be new to many posters here who haven't really watched Wemby closely: He is not a traditional big at all. He's not even a low block player. He plays offense like a SF right now. I keep reading a lot of takes about him playing in the block and that's just not going to happen for a while.

Good stuff.
When you say "raw", could you give some details on said rawness? Just trying to get a better feel from some of you guys and what you're seeing and not seeing.

[Pauleta14]

The side advantage we get from this is it will bring out the best in ST. A side we haven't seen since the glory days. Thank you Wemby for bringing the shine back to our "well informed" community.

Man, I missed ST

[couchman]

Good stuff.
When you say "raw", could you give some details on said rawness? Just trying to get a better feel from some of you guys and what you're seeing and not seeing.

It's mostly around decision making but also he is still learning what his go-to moves will be. His shot looks great but his 3 point percentage is not great yet.
He averages more turnovers than assists and he always has.
We see glimpses of him becoming a nice passer eventually but it's not there yet.
The shooting stroke looks really good but he is streaky from 3, partly because he tries some tough ones.
The FT shooting numbers and the way the shooting stroke look indicate he should be doing better than 28% from 3.
I'm honestly thrilled that he decided to work on this part of his game and start putting up five 3s a game but remains a work-in-progress.

[tonight...you]

It's mostly around decision making but also he is still learning what his go-to moves will be. His shot looks great but his 3 point percentage is not great yet.
He averages more turnovers than assists and he always has.
We see glimpses of him becoming a nice passer eventually but it's not there yet.
The shooting stroke looks really good but he is streaky from 3, partly because he tries some tough ones.
The FT shooting numbers and the way the shooting stroke look indicate he should be doing better than 28% from 3.
I'm honestly thrilled that he decided to work on this part of his game and start putting up five 3s a game but remains a work-in-progress.

Thank you. Very much appreciated.

[polandprzem]

Literally the opposite of every professional opinion. You train movement for what you do in the game. Weights is not something you do in the games. Wembenyama has one of the best training programs who have worked with players with long careers such as Dirk and swear against heavy weight regiments.

Nope

Development of human body or an athlete body is not like that. Movement in a game you do while practicing basketball.
What you want is to develop motor skills of a player to recruit muscle type fibers you want.
Of season is the time to get stronger and you are not gonna do it through bands.

All in all I see nobody here actually knows anything about training but that's fine. I am not gonna educate ppl here much.
To me it makes no sense as I do not see here even a base knowledge...