This is a good idea. Charlotte's pick is capped at 15, and given their upcoming #2 pick and Miles Bridges return, this may be a perfect time to find a partner willing to take the gamble it conveys at a higher number in a year, over in the 20s right now. Throw in 2/3 seconds if necessary (not #33 though).
I don't view the Pistons as a bad situation for Johnson. Unlike White, Murray and Poeltl, he's still in his early 20s and they need wings/forwards and already have their initiators, so he wouldn't be forced or think he has to have more of an on-ball role than he's capable of.
That's probably what I'd do if I were them, but they supposedly want to at least compete for the play-in next season, so they might prefer a more actualized version as opposed to waiting and to some degree hoping.
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I was convinced they'd do the same last year, yet they tanked. I think they'll see what they have and go from there, if Cade is back and their pick's early signs are promising, they might speed up the process. Otherwise we might be talking about the same thing a year from now.
It’s been a while since he was a good player. We shouldn’t be giving anything FOR simmons. Nobody would acquire simmons because they think he will help their team. You acquire him because Brooklyn is willing to attach assets to get him off their books
if simmons were a FA, he’s not even worth MLE money right now
No, they didn't. Cunningham played 12 games and instead of trading Bogdanovic and Burks, they extended the former.
Every re-building and/or bad team isn't "tanking".
Have only seen one mention of it, but Gradey would be an interesting target around the 10 pick IMO. Doesn't solve our PG need but gives us a different type of wing player around Wemby, and honestly one that might be better suited to support Wemby than a Keldon.
Being bad isn't what defines a tank job, WANTING to stay bad does. Detroit gave the keys to the team to unplayable Kyllian Hayes, sat everyone after the All Star break, didn't make any effort to improve the team in season, and kept their coach although they had about an all time worst franchise record. Of course it was a tank job, one of the most egregious tank jobs of all time. BTW, Bogdanovic's extension was at the beginning of the season because he was an asset, but the only reason they didn't trade him was because their demands weren't met, and they pulled the plug on him later on.
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In addition to Cunningham missing 70 games, Burks missed 31 games (many early) and Joseph missed 20 games, leaving Ivey, a rookie combo guard and Hayes, as the only remaining ball handlers, on a team with terrible spacing.
There wasn't anything practical/realistic that they could have done to make the remaining team compe ive and actually easily could have made it even less so, as I alluded to.
Burks and Bodganovic's last games were in early march, the former was out with "foot soreness" and the latter referred "precaution" for a tendinopathy (chronic issue). What did you expect? "DNP - tanking"? Not everybody is as stupid as Dallas. Of course they could have played more. Even in game adjustments were obvious, sitting the better players in 4th quarters.
I know Indiana is gonna max him. But I wonder what it would take to trade for Haliburton…
No his defense is horrible and a liability when he's on the floor. He'll get played off the floor in tight playoff games.
I'd rather have Jordan Hawkins if you want to add a shooter than Gradey .
Gradey's D is a positive, not a negative...
No it's not. He's a weak 1 on 1 defender. Teams attacked him on offense, he's too slow a foot.
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BS... it's been one of the positives in his recruiting evals all season...
And light years ahead of that guy Portland took last year...
You don't draft Sharpe for his defense but for his offensive upside.
Sharpe is also not athletically challeneged and can improve much more than slow footed .
Gradey isn't slow footed nor is he unathletic... I'll give you that Sharpe is a higher level athlete, but it's not by that much and Sharpe has no D. His much counted on O hasn't materialized. He's a basic high risk high reward guy and there's nothing wring with that where he was drafted. I'm not down on him, but saying Gradey is a poor defender is nonsense and runs counter to most all evaluations on him and make me wonder if you even watched him.
Nah, Detroit was badly tanking last year. The end of the last Spurs-Detroit game was totally hilarious, each team trying to out-tank the other, Detroit trying to throw the game in the last minutes (SA too), only for the spurs to win in OT, with Detroit players looking almost embarassed to win... Good for a 20 page game thread on ST for the apex of the season.
His offense did materialized down the stretch when he was getting minutes. Portland and their fans are happy with him and they would riot if they traded him.
He wasn't going to explode as a scorer last year being that he's out of high school and missed a year. They brought him along slowly in the beginning of the season until the tank. Then they let him play and he looked great. Give him a couple of more years in the league and you're going to see a 20+ scorer with improved defense. His offensive potential is better than Sochan's, even shot better %'s last year.
But we're talking about Gradey 's defense.
I've seen draft anaylsis as saying Gradey is a poor 1 on 1 defender and teams often attacked him on offense and he often got beat by his man, was too slow.
I've seen a lot of film of him getting beat.
Gradey really isn't that bad of a defender. His adv. defensive metrics are about the same as Jordan Hawkins. They're really similar. The problem is neither does much other than score. I think each can be at least neutral on D.
Sharpe has a real chance...no doubt about that..
Here's just one analyst comment (I don't have a ton of time to add more at the moment)
"It's hard to find NBA scouts who don't like the tremendous perimeter shooting ability, defensive compe iveness, feel for the game and all-around consistency offers, making him widely viewed as one of the "safer" prospects in this class. He has been just as effective against top-tier compe ion as against lesser teams, has shown growth as the season has moved on and has rarely looked overwhelmed on either end of the floor. There's an opening for to enter a different tier from high-floor, role-playing prospect to coveted top-10 caliber pick over the next three weeks if he can help guide Kansas to the Final Four and potentially cut the nets down for the second year in a row.-- Jonathan Givony"
Nobody's saying he's prime Kawhi...but it's a net plus for him..
It's amazing if you have a guy who is lights out on the 3 point shooting opens up everything and makes it so much easier on everyone else getting easy buckets. Going into future drafts I would definitely look at adding someone like him to the team I just don't see us being able to trade up this year to get him. I am really high on our draft picks we have coming from some teams so not wanting to trade them just yet also we got a lot of past draft picks were still figuring out what there ceiling is so we got enough on our plate with them and now Wemby..
I'll take Hawkins at 20 over Gradey at 10 or so.
Well of course down the stretch they were trying to secure the worst record, which they were in prime position to do for most of the season . . . but if we're ranking tankers, they're way down the list.
Anyway, the point remains that they're looking to be relatively compe ive next season.
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